CatShooter
jlow said:
Thanks, but as was explained above, that is not the goal in this question.
carlsbad
Lions don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
Catshooter,
I have an RCBS chargemaster and the reason the answers you get are confusing is because: yes, it will work in that mode but no, that won't solve the stated problem. So both yes and no are correct answers to your question.
the chargemaster works in 2 speed mode. It dispenses very rapidly up to about a grain short of the programmed load and then automatically goes into the trickle mode which is the slow part that takes all the time. Additional delays are caused by overthrows. I let it sit on the pan a few seconds and let it confirm the charge. about 20% of the time (depending on what powder you are using) it will update and be over my .1 or .2 grains after it sits a few seconds. So I throw that charge back into the hopper. (BTW, for chargemaster users I highly recommend this as it has significantly reduced my high fliers.)
So yes you can use it the way you suggested but no, it won't speed up the process.
Like Erik Cortina said, the chargemaster does work and you can get good results. But I'm a physicist (nerd) and don't like uncertainty. So I bought a Sartorius .1 mg scale and my chargemaster will be for sale soon if you're interested in buying it. Less than a year old. Like new.
--Jerry
I have an RCBS chargemaster and the reason the answers you get are confusing is because: yes, it will work in that mode but no, that won't solve the stated problem. So both yes and no are correct answers to your question.
the chargemaster works in 2 speed mode. It dispenses very rapidly up to about a grain short of the programmed load and then automatically goes into the trickle mode which is the slow part that takes all the time. Additional delays are caused by overthrows. I let it sit on the pan a few seconds and let it confirm the charge. about 20% of the time (depending on what powder you are using) it will update and be over my .1 or .2 grains after it sits a few seconds. So I throw that charge back into the hopper. (BTW, for chargemaster users I highly recommend this as it has significantly reduced my high fliers.)
So yes you can use it the way you suggested but no, it won't speed up the process.
Like Erik Cortina said, the chargemaster does work and you can get good results. But I'm a physicist (nerd) and don't like uncertainty. So I bought a Sartorius .1 mg scale and my chargemaster will be for sale soon if you're interested in buying it. Less than a year old. Like new.
--Jerry
Sorry but slightly surprised. I think the Dandy would do exactly what you ask for which is to act as an electronic powder dispenser. You set the charge at your beam balance and it will automatically throw until your beam moves when it throws the last grain to get there. It won’t let you set charge weight on the dispenser but I would think that is not an important parameter?CatShooter said:
I use a Lyman Gen 6 Powder Drop and it's only about 20 seconds to drop a load. I can't imagine preloading the tray would save any time. Maybe a second or two but, not worth the hassle. The Gen 6 is acurate to within .1gr +/- and my own results confirm this.
Not me but, a quick and accurate video showing it in action.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTgGX0pzpjg[/youtube]
Not me but, a quick and accurate video showing it in action.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTgGX0pzpjg[/youtube]
My hunting buddy bought a hornady auto......... "what a waist of time and money" I said.
Not accurate enough for 1k ammo, I thought.
More hassle than it's worth to set up, I thought.
Silly waist of money to fix a problem that does not exist, I thought.
Won't even reliably throw consistent enough charges with the stick powders I use, I thought.
A short while later I read the manual on how to slow the trickle for stick powders, did a bunch off side by side comparisons with the beam scale.
End result:
It's fast enough I can set it up and calibrate in 45 seconds, once it gets started I can't seat the bullet in the last cartridge fast enough to be waiting on it, even with 90 grain loads= it's waiting on me.
Never overcharges, is accurate enough for 1/8 moa loads which is also about the limit of my abilities as a shooter from a bipod. Glad I was wrong.
Using one as a tickler would be totally unnecessary, I use it pretty much exclusively now days and halve a little more faith in it than my beam scale.
Not accurate enough for 1k ammo, I thought.
More hassle than it's worth to set up, I thought.
Silly waist of money to fix a problem that does not exist, I thought.
Won't even reliably throw consistent enough charges with the stick powders I use, I thought.
A short while later I read the manual on how to slow the trickle for stick powders, did a bunch off side by side comparisons with the beam scale.
End result:
It's fast enough I can set it up and calibrate in 45 seconds, once it gets started I can't seat the bullet in the last cartridge fast enough to be waiting on it, even with 90 grain loads= it's waiting on me.
Never overcharges, is accurate enough for 1/8 moa loads which is also about the limit of my abilities as a shooter from a bipod. Glad I was wrong.
Using one as a tickler would be totally unnecessary, I use it pretty much exclusively now days and halve a little more faith in it than my beam scale.
CatShooter
jlow said:
No... I asked for replies to electronic dispensers - not beam balances.... the title to the thread is, "A question about electronic powder dispensers".
bigedp51
Dear CatShooter
I have been wracking my brain for two days trying to find a solution to your problem. And then last night I was sitting at my reloading bench when my wife yelled down the basement steps for me to scoop out and clean the cat litter box. Then it hit me like a ton of bricks and your solution came to me in a brilliant flash.
Below is all you need to load all your banana shaped cases, first you throw a large scoop and then trickle with a smaller scoop to the precise load. A very simple solution and you do not need to plug them in ahead of time or let them stabilize at room temperature.
Today since you are such a good reliable friend I will sell these powder measure scoops for the low price of only 14 payments of $19.99 plus shipping and handling.
And for only $1.99 more I will throw in the banana peel, I straightened the banana and then ate it after I took the photo.
Double Bazinga ;D
I have been wracking my brain for two days trying to find a solution to your problem. And then last night I was sitting at my reloading bench when my wife yelled down the basement steps for me to scoop out and clean the cat litter box. Then it hit me like a ton of bricks and your solution came to me in a brilliant flash.
Below is all you need to load all your banana shaped cases, first you throw a large scoop and then trickle with a smaller scoop to the precise load. A very simple solution and you do not need to plug them in ahead of time or let them stabilize at room temperature.
Today since you are such a good reliable friend I will sell these powder measure scoops for the low price of only 14 payments of $19.99 plus shipping and handling.
And for only $1.99 more I will throw in the banana peel, I straightened the banana and then ate it after I took the photo.
Double Bazinga ;D
CatShooter
bigedp51 said:Dear CatShooter
I have been wracking my brain for two days trying to find a solution to your problem. And then last night I was sitting at my reloading bench when my wife yelled down the basement steps for me to scoop out and clean the cat litter box. Then it hit me like a ton of bricks and your solution came to me in a brilliant flash.
Below is all you need to load all your banana shaped cases, first you throw a large scoop and then trickle with a smaller scoop to the precise load. A very simple solution and you do not need to plug them in ahead of time or let them stabilize at room temperature.
Today since you are such a good reliable friend I will sell these powder measure scoops for the low price of only 14 payments of $19.99 plus shipping and handling.
And for only $1.99 more I will throw in the banana peel, I straightened the banana and then ate it after I took the photo.
Double Bazinga ;D
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Hello, Ed.
I think the Chargemaster is a fantastic machine! Do I use one? No!
The Chargemaster, and all its direct competition, uses a strain gauge measuring system. That is why a lot of folks with a GemPro give up on them due to the constant need for re-zeroing them. But, the Chargemasters have corrected that problem by auto-zero prior to dropping powder. Brilliant!
Also, as the machine has no idea what kind of powder you will be using, the accuracy is based on the ultimate weight of a kernal of powder and the slop in the trickling method combined to yield a decent accuracy. That turns out to be about +/- 0.1gn. Think about it, they have built weighing systems that do a very acceptable job of auto weighing quickly and accurately.
I wanted more accuracy, to one kernal of powder. So, I didn't waste my time trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. I bought a used lab balance with accuracy to 1mg. That is about 0.013 gn or 0.02gn on the grain scale. So, with my electric trickler, I can dispense a charge within +/- 0.2 gn or so and trickle up to +/- one kernal quickly and accurately.
But, to speed up the process with your Chargemaster, an excellent machine, try using two pans and dump the charge while the next pan is weighing. I don't think you need two pans with exact equal weights as the Chargemaster auto-zeros each charge.
The Chargemaster, and all its direct competition, uses a strain gauge measuring system. That is why a lot of folks with a GemPro give up on them due to the constant need for re-zeroing them. But, the Chargemasters have corrected that problem by auto-zero prior to dropping powder. Brilliant!
Also, as the machine has no idea what kind of powder you will be using, the accuracy is based on the ultimate weight of a kernal of powder and the slop in the trickling method combined to yield a decent accuracy. That turns out to be about +/- 0.1gn. Think about it, they have built weighing systems that do a very acceptable job of auto weighing quickly and accurately.
I wanted more accuracy, to one kernal of powder. So, I didn't waste my time trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. I bought a used lab balance with accuracy to 1mg. That is about 0.013 gn or 0.02gn on the grain scale. So, with my electric trickler, I can dispense a charge within +/- 0.2 gn or so and trickle up to +/- one kernal quickly and accurately.
But, to speed up the process with your Chargemaster, an excellent machine, try using two pans and dump the charge while the next pan is weighing. I don't think you need two pans with exact equal weights as the Chargemaster auto-zeros each charge.
michaelnel
Old and In The Way
CatShooter said:I have good measures (Redding BR-30) and a great beam, but I hate using the trickler... especally when I haev 200 rounds (or more) to load.
I had a Chargemaster, sent it back for a refund. Too inaccurate, too slow, too expensive. Now I can move faster by dropping a light charge into the scale pan with a Lee Perfect measure (yep, the cheap plastic one, does GREAT on stick powders). Then I put that pan on my Scott Parker tuned Ohaus 10-10-5 and trickle it up to the desired charge with my Omega power trickler.
I never go over, I never have to dump the charge and remeasure it. Works every time, and I can watch what it is doing (the beam scale will show me one kernel of RL15 or N150 and the Omega shows me how much is getting ready to drop... I can make it drop a single kernel). It doesn't care if I have a cell phone in my pocket or if I have fluorescent tubes above my bench.
I am sold on this method.
Just as a point of interest:
If you go to the expense of buying a digital scale/dispenser to trickle the last of your thrown charge, why not just use the !@$ thing to do the charge in the way it was designed to do? They work very well if you treat them right. BTW, I buried my LEE PPM rather than selling (inflicting) it upon some innocent person who had never done ME an injury.
If you go to the expense of buying a digital scale/dispenser to trickle the last of your thrown charge, why not just use the !@$ thing to do the charge in the way it was designed to do? They work very well if you treat them right. BTW, I buried my LEE PPM rather than selling (inflicting) it upon some innocent person who had never done ME an injury.
CatShooter
jlow said:
Good idea.
If someone asks for opinions on "A" and you keep promoting "B", it is not helping, it is distracting from "A", and then others jump on "B", and the thread is highjacked....
So, Note to jlow "That works for me!"
If you actually bother to read what I suggested, I actually gave you what you "asked" for. However, since it appears you were ONLY interested in the Chargemaster but never bother to state so except to say "electronic powder dispenser" which the Dandy in fact is. So in the end you blame someone else for your lack of specificity and then of course is someone else's fault....CatShooter said:jlow said:
Good idea.
If someone asks for opinions on "A" and you keep promoting "B", it is not helping, it is distracting from "A", and then others jump on "B", and the thread is highjacked....
So, Note to jlow "That works for me!"
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