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Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

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Like I said, a lot of folks don't do their own research, thanks for pointing that out. Plus it was old 2023 lightning, I think I stated that. Look at the new Hummers. Look at anything new, it all keeps improving, and will the longer its being made.

Charging stations will get better and their charging algorithms will improve battery life, home charging will be the most efficient for sure. For most all they will need. But nothing will ever be best for everyone. Research, and not social media cowboys.
It will have to get better, people are already bailing on the idea of all electric vehicles.

The standing joke about the Lightning’s promotion by Ford was they offer, low cost under $50,000, long range over 300 miles, and high towing capacity 10,000 pounds. You can have one of the three.

Lowest cost=shortest range.
Longest range = high cost. More like $75,000 plus
Highest towing capacity and using it, drops range to around 125 miles per charge.

To get the numbers you were talking about, you would need to buy the F-150 XLT package or higher costing 75- $90,000. Sadly those trucks have repeatedly failed any real world towing tests recorded. With the range generally falling to around 100 miles or less with a 7000 pound trailer. It’s not the weight, as much as the rolling resistance. To be specific wind resistance. A 10,000 pound load of bricks on a flatbed, will have longer range than a 5000 pound camp or box trailer.

The other dirty little secret to all EV’s, but really a problem with the trucks, is range loss to other essentials. Things like headlights, wipers, climate control, entertainment systems. Night driving in the rain and trying to keep the kids occupied is a choice between driving with cranky kids, or sitting in a charging station with cranky kids. Not exactly ready for the family camping road trip.
 
I absolutely defy anyone to show me a car with lower cost to operate than my 2006 Lincoln Town Car that I've been driving for the last 14 years. 149,000 miles and gets 21.8 mpg~!
My wife's G6, gets 38 mpg on a 70 mph highway trip, and averages 29.7 for a 25000 mile average for 4 consecutive seasons! That Town car only gets 21 on a casual highway run, and compared to that Pontiac, can't get out of its own way! I know, we had one!

Good for a geto cruiser, but even my 2006 with the Z71 off road pkg, 4x4, and locking rear diff, with heavy payload and towing package, extended cab, with the high torque L33 5.3 special order engine, only available in 06 and 07 in those 1/2 ton 4x4 ext cab trucks, by special order, with 10 to 1 compression and LS6 Cathedral port Corvete Heads, gets 21 to 22 highway, but on a 14000 mile average gets 17.5 mpg. And with only tires brakes and oil changes, besides its 100,000 mile tune up (spark plugs and all fluids changed) has never had a wrench on it. Makes it as cheap to operate than my old Town Car with that underpowered 4.6 gas mixer engine, and does have considerably more power.

The G6 with over 160,000 miles and on its 3rd set of tires, 3rd battery, and one tuneup at 100,000 miles, that gets an oil change once a year, every fall, Amzoil Premium 5w30 for total maintenance would be cheaper hands down!

Just like electric cars and battery life, a lot of what people offer are best scenario when it comes to miles per dollar cost. But I have road in a newer electric, and it's like,,,, Where did that seat set back come from! As well as my son charges his at home and using it daily for work and local running, gets by a lot cheaper than that, and has 100,000 mile warranty if needed, so far he's been happy, with low insurance and very low cost to drive with a payment no more than that Town car would cost if made today or that 71 with the same luxury options!

Apples and oranges, everybody's needs will return different results,,,, gas or electric, it will just depend on how your wired!
 
I get your point, here is mine: Cowboys weren't squeezed into giving up their horses for ICE. Grass and hay were free, would anyone even look at an EV if gasoline was free or the price it was 10 years ago? Oh, and I see Cowboys are still using Horses in mass.

If you want an EV and it suits your need buy one, but don't coheres me into owing one. I would love to see the posts on a thread here if the government decided that only Creedmoor calibers were going to be legal by the year 2035.

When ICE is illegal, only criminals will own ICE
Most real cowboys on the really big ranches are using horses less and less, and they are using gators and mules, you know, atvs more and more.

In time it will be electric. Like lift trucks inside factories, the more they use, in the bigger factories, the more electrics you see, mostly for more production with less harmful fumes in those circumstances, but only because over time they have become more reliable and cheaper in the overall long term.

Same with big trucks, and we see it with trains, it will continue to evolve.
 
The first gas vehicle was offered after the first battery powered vehicle, or close to it.
Your close, 2 years before the Benz was the first gas car ever built in 1885, patented in 1886. .75 hp one longer two stroke.

The first electric car was in 1888, Adreas Flocken 1hp at 9mph.

But my look how both have evolved, with over 1000 hp factory gas vehicles and over 1400 hp electric today. Not to mention heat air condition, even hands free driving. It will just continue,

I get folks, like I said, not for me, but unlike most, I wish I had been born in 1800, but we all have to realize, it's 2024 and reality can be ignored, but it ain't going to back up!
 
7700 pounds of towing isn't diddly squat. I haul close to 20,000 pounds up into the Colorado mountains 3 times a week. That little half ton would blow up half way there.
For every day commuting back and forth to your job I can see that it might be useful, but not everyone just drives to the office and back...
Like I said, apples to apples, that didly piece of squat your using would hold the same wimpy wanna bee claim to a real truck. The point was 7700 is all I need today, hence why my diesel dully is long gone, and the Z71 Silverado is much better for everything I use a truck for today.

OH YA! THEY MAKE THEM TOO!

Gas or electric, the same applies, you have to buy it the way you need it, only a fool buys a 1 ton dually to haul is three piece suited azz to work and back. But we see it every day.

An intelligent individual would realize a 1/2 ton is more maneuverable, economical, better handling, more comfortable, and goes where duallies struggle.

When I haulled a 36 foot fifth wheel, or my 30' Over 10 foot tall Lake Erie charter boat, the dually made sense. Today with my 26' Nash, and 16' John boat, I'd look like some of the dicks I see using the 1 ton for such widely chit. But plenty do it.

Just like hear, confusing mine is bigger, just proving, they don't know how to use it. Gas or Electric, anyone can buy it the way they need it, you just have to understand what one you need!

Bigger ain't always better and vice versa, but it is more expensive, Gas or electric! Apples to apples, oranges to oranges, but you'll always find many proving they can't comprehend the reasons for either, or there are always those with "little man syndrome",,,,
 
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I wonder how many of the EV lovers would love to work in the cobalt mines? There they could explain to their fellow child laborers the difference between two wheels, fetal position, and upright like real man, for whatever that means. But it's all the cost for the progress of saving the planet!
 
So, where does the electric to charge all these batteries come from? You guessed it, the GRID! There is no free lunch. Sure, electric has it's place but it will not, in this decade, rule over all other sources. My Buick Lacrosse gets 34 MPG @ 77 MPH on a relatively flat highway and is very comfortable and safe to ride in. I realize I am paying for the comfort but hey, this is a relatively short one way ride we are all taking. Might as well go in comfort. 330 Hoss they claim. Don't have to use a lot space to pass someone.
 
To get the numbers you were talking about, you would need to buy the F-150 XLT package or higher costing 75- $90,000.
Nope. The $94,000 XLT tested failed a tow range test miserably, and did not get the numbers he was talking about. Guess you missed my expose' of that yesterday (#2157).
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Nope. The $94,000 XLT tested failed a tow range test miserably, and did not get the numbers he was talking about. Guess you missed my expose' of that yesterday (#2157).
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The numbers being discussed were price, estimated unloaded range, and towing capacity.

If you want the under $50,000 price. You sacrifice range and towing ability.
If you want the advertised range, you spend $75,000+ and don’t tow.
If you want to tow, you sacrifice range and price.

As I said the common joke is you can have low price, range or towing capabilities. But you can only choose one.

Honestly tho, if the numbers on the 24 Silverado prove true, it a step in the right direction. At least you can drive far enough and back without a recharge to get out of city limits for the weekend. Still far less than many people would want.

Another fun fact. The lesser priced and more plain models generally have more range than the top end models. Less accessories translate to less weight, and less current draw. So the best range would be the from low end models with a big battery.
 
The numbers being discussed were price, estimated unloaded range, and towing capacity.
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Another fun fact. The lesser priced and more plain models generally have more range than the top end models. Less accessories translate to less weight, and less current draw. So the best range would be the from low end models with a big battery.
Thanks for the clarification, I missed that.

Consider towing a heavy trailer cross-country under optimal fast charge station conditions, say on I-80 all the way. Assume a full charge gets you 100 miles (as Motor Trend found.) But that means the truck stopped moving at 100 miles! In the real world you have to find a charge station long before that, at say 80 miles for round numbers. If you drive 65 mph, you're stopping to charge every 1h 15m, and waiting (charitably) at least 30 minutes to recharge.

Driving the regular F-150 w/ 26-gal tank, you're stopping every 3h 50m to refuel, and waiting 5 minutes to top off.
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Thanks for the clarification, I missed that.

Consider towing a heavy trailer cross-country under optimal fast charge station conditions, say on I-80 all the way. Assume a full charge gets you 100 miles (as Motor Trend found.) But that means the truck stopped moving at 100 miles! In the real world you have to find a charge station long before that, at say 80 miles for round numbers. If you drive 65 mph, you're stopping to charge every 1h 15m to charge, and waiting (charitably) at least 30 minutes to recharge.

Driving the regular F-150 w/ 26-gal tank, you're stopping every 3h 50m to refuel, and waiting 5 minutes to top off.
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This is part of the reason that the federal mandates for building the grid to handle EV’s includes mandatory charging stations every 50 miles along the interstates.

They will need to be within 1 mile of the highway, and include amenities. So basically building populated rest stops.

Think of the new industry and jobs that can be created all across the western states.:rolleyes:

But this is the disconnect that will bite the EV industry in the butt. The people cheering on the industry tell you what a remarkable achievement being able to tow a 6500 pound camp trailer 100 miles is, and labeling such vehicle top in its class. Without disclosing an almost 65% drop in range if you actually use your truck as a truck.

That’s how you get a negative second time buyer ratio. Fool me once….

Honestly the only people who seem to be happy with their EV, also seem to be able to apply critical thinking skills. They have a good idea that the vehicle will meet their needs.

But when other people apply the same critical thinking and decide that an EV as they exist now, will not meet their needs, and can back that up with facts, we’re basically told we have tunnel vision and just haven’t done the research needed to enlighten us.

Flip side it’s not fair to rag on the people that own them because they do fit their needs.

This brings me back to my original yet simple answer when people ask me if an EV is right for them.
Are you buying one because you want one and it fits your needs? Let’s figure out which one does. Of it it even exists.

Are you buying it to save the planet?
Haven’t found one on the market yet that fits inside that box.

It all comes down to truth in marketing, very little truth in the marketing of EV’s.
 
So, after 2172 replies in this thread, what is the number of responders who actually own and drive an electric car.?
I'm guessing maybe 1%. How many responders are considering or were considering? How many were never going to consider purchasing one in the first place? Personally myself at first I was a no, then a maybe like on the fence. I'm right now figuring were I'm at. I do know this, they , meaning owners of these EV's certainly are hard at work to convince others that they are it. I'm not sold on that. China and Joe are working to make it happen. I'm not sold on them either.
 
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. I do know this, they , meaning owners of these EV's certainly are hard at work to convince others that they are it.
Yep, just like Clark Griswold trying to convince his wife that instead of the Antarctic Blue sports wagon he ordered, the family truckster is the vehicle they need to take the tribe across country.
 
I wonder if a study has been done to see the % of EV who purchase another vs an ice or hybrid when they are ready for a new vehicle. Its probably a bit early for a lot of data but it will be interesting to see.
 
My '92 Honda Civic VX hatch 5-speed with 250,000 miles gets 37 to 40 mpg in town, 48 mpg highway. Not a cozy limo like your Linc, though.
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I've read that both Honda and Toyota build the best engines in the world in terms of durability and longevity~! On the subject of American engines I believe Ford built the best V-8 with its 4.6 liter engine measured by the same parameters~!
 
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