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Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

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When did the US government tell you what you had to drive? ICE are still available for sale.

It started the day the Zombie took office with Executive Orders on anything oil. Check the price at the pump. It is no accident.

How many tax incentives do ev receive? Who pays them?

EV's will take over some day, but not in my garage. Let free enterprise do the job.

I think free enterprise worked out fine when the ICE came into it's own. Sure roads were built for them but were paid for with gas tax money.
 
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It exists now. Just maybe not in your neighborhood yet.
When did the US government tell you what you had to drive? ICE are still available for sale.
First. I don’t live in a ‘neighborhood’.
What electric vehicle are you talking about that has the range, charges quickly especially in cold weather, has the range in cold weather with the heater AND the rear window defogger on.
The government doesn’t tell me shit. However what do you think they are doing with putting time limits on the supplying on internal combustion engines including outlawing them.
Oh goody, I can still purchase an ICE engine, for now. The government has an agenda to control everything.
Maybe in your neighborhood everything is just rosy. Good for you. I hate them all equally. That’s my version of equality.
 
Executive Orders on anything oil
Executive orders period.
I’m trying to find the difference between an executive order and dictatorship.
I listened to this people once when I was 17.
I’m still paying for that idiotic move by me.
Fool me once…… you know the rest.
 
Executive orders period.
I’m trying to find the difference between an executive order and dictatorship.
I listened to this people once when I was 17.
I’m still paying for that idiotic move by me.
Fool me once…… you know the rest.
The POTUS should be allowed one Executive Order per year, it shall fall on his birthday.
 
It started the day the Zombie took office with Executive Orders on anything oil. Check the price at the pump. It is no accident.

How many tax incentives do ev receive? Who pays them?

EV's will take over some day, but not in my garage. Let free enterprise do the job.

I think free enterprise worked out fine when the ice came into it's own. Sure roads were built for them but were paid for with gas tax money.
Although the current occupancy has done some things to accelerate the change away from petroleum, what might be considered the “start” was the Energy Policy Act of 1992. George Bush Senior.

This deregulated the power companies, mandated low flush toilets, required energy efficiency ratings on appliances and set the first timelines and wishlists for adopting Electric vehicles and building the infrastructure to support them.

The feds were following California’s lead, who had passed similar laws a few years earlier. 2025-30 were the magic dates then, and still are. But the goals in between were never close to being met.
 
Congress needs to limit EO's to Three per term :

And the Congress spoke, saying, ''First shalt thou take out the Executive pen. Then shalt thou sign three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt sign, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then no more Executive Orders shalt be signed"
 
I’m pretty sure the moderators let this discussion go on because it keeps people from posting crazy stuff in the firearms area of the forum. Do people get this emotional over a discusion of 168 gn vs 150 gn .308?

I have an AWD electric vehicle, and I like it. But I’m willing to admit that it isn’t perfect, and that the technology isn’t there for everybody at an affordable price, yet. You can buy EVs with 500 mile capacity, but it’s more expensive than I can afford. EVs are a little like the first home computers and cell phones. But they are also different, in that they have a veneer of politics laid over them which was not placed on top of cell phones and computers. I think they are going to improve in the next few years. But improvements are incremental. The United States has an electric vehicle and an electric aircraft working on Mars. Driving to the grocery store is not going be difficult.

ETA: OK, 180 gn vs 200 gn .30-06 RN.
 
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It exists now. Just maybe not in your neighborhood yet.
When did the US government tell you what you had to drive? ICE are still available for sale.

Sure, currently. But ...

The whole state-based push to electrify by 2035, 2040, etc. The whole COP28 push to deliberately phase-down (and eventually -out) "fossil" fuels. While currently there are still options, with such a push it'll only be a matter of time before some options effectively get pushed off the table. That's "telling you want to drive," more or less. As opposed to tolerating market forces, alone, to make such choices.
 
What people need to remember, and research really is the politics behind the EV movement. What you then realize is that the push for the industry really has little to do with saving the environment or helping society in general. It’s all about lining certain pockets.
What started this was the quest for alternate energy for powering vehicles and dates back to the 70’s oil embargo. Somehow electric vehicles became the darling project that big money and Government backed.

If you read the Energy Protection Act I linked to earlier, it was not about the environment or climate change or global warming, it was about energy independence. As the energy independence train ran out of steam, electric vehicles became the way to eliminate green house gasses and save the world. We were energy independent briefly, and choose not to now.

If you want an electric car, go buy one, if you should expect to pay what they should actually sell for, without all the tax incentives, and be willing to pay a road tax

All I ask people to do is be an informed consumer. The current batteries are environmental disaster. The cars have enough problems and have caused more deaths than probably all other safety hazards vehicles combined.

You have to ask at some point, why no safety recalls when 10x as many people have died in Tesla fires than Ford Pintos. Why do we allow Chinese corporations to operate strip mines inside the United States?
All to push a product that not enough people seem to want to support the industry.

This product would have been dead years ago, if certain people were not pulling the strings to keep it alive.

History is repeating itself. The oil barons owned the government for the last 125 years. There is a financial shift taking place. Whoever owns the raw materials for batteries are the coming overlords.

Might ba a good time to brush up on mandarin
 
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