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The blades are fiberglass. I cant figure out why they were burying them. When i worked for GE there was a blade manufacturer in little rock. Thousands of jobs at a place called LM windpower. GE later acquired them. When they had a blade out of tolerance it was ground up and recycled. Its fiberglass and can be reused for lots of things such as filler for other molding processes. We tore a windfarm down just miles from the southernmost point in the US. It was built in 78 i think and was an eyesore after the neglect from a bankrupt company that owned them. All that equipment will be recycled in various scrap, still may be going on. Some of the statements are true about wind turbines. They do take a lot of oil. That oil is filtered thru a sidestream system and refreshed. Its not just dumped on the ground. Turbine lube oils last for many years, some for the life of the turbine with proper maintenance. It costs around $50/gal for the oil we used so a maintenance program on it is cheap. Its true there is SF6 gas associated with the high voltage switchgear on some. Not every turbine has SF6 gear, some use oil blast and some use air blast- its just according to the customer specs when ordering. Im a fan of wind turbines but they are not the answer to energy. Modular nuclear plants like in europe or a large PWR are the answer. None of this will work without significant power grid updates which is what im working on these days. Offshore semi submersible wind turbines right over the horizon was our best wind power option. We just dont have enough land in the right places for wind or solar. Hydro is another option. Cant really displace towns like we used to so focusing on efficiency upgrades is the answer for our hydro needs. You think the US debt is bad now just wait til we really upgrade the power grid.
 
Very interesting video, F150 hybrid vs Rivian truck. Towing cost comparison. 7400# trailer. Of course the distance was short about 57 miles because of the EV took a huge range hit actually towing(started with 85% charge). And they had to buy premium fuel to see a cost saving of 4 dollars by the EV. With the explanation that for most charging at home would cost more because of inefficient charging systems. I think if they would have run a straight 5.0L gas truck(15000+ cheaper to purchase than the hybrid) the fuel cost for the gas truck would have been lower(better mileage than the hybrid) and beat the EV truck outright.
Correction.......the F150 3.5 Powerboost (hybrid) is around $2,500 more than the (standard) 5.0 (2022 platinum 4x4 Crew.)
 
The blades are fiberglass. I cant figure out why they were burying them. When i worked for GE there was a blade manufacturer in little rock. Thousands of jobs at a place called LM windpower. GE later acquired them. When they had a blade out of tolerance it was ground up and recycled. Its fiberglass and can be reused for lots of things such as filler for other molding processes. We tore a windfarm down just miles from the southernmost point in the US. It was built in 78 i think and was an eyesore after the neglect from a bankrupt company that owned them. All that equipment will be recycled in various scrap, still may be going on. Some of the statements are true about wind turbines. They do take a lot of oil. That oil is filtered thru a sidestream system and refreshed. Its not just dumped on the ground. Turbine lube oils last for many years, some for the life of the turbine with proper maintenance. It costs around $50/gal for the oil we used so a maintenance program on it is cheap. Its true there is SF6 gas associated with the high voltage switchgear on some. Not every turbine has SF6 gear, some use oil blast and some use air blast- its just according to the customer specs when ordering. Im a fan of wind turbines but they are not the answer to energy. Modular nuclear plants like in europe or a large PWR are the answer. None of this will work without significant power grid updates which is what im working on these days. Offshore semi submersible wind turbines right over the horizon was our best wind power option. We just dont have enough land in the right places for wind or solar. Hydro is another option. Cant really displace towns like we used to so focusing on efficiency upgrades is the answer for our hydro needs. You think the US debt is bad now just wait til we really upgrade the power grid.

 
Zero. Sorry man i understand
And I left out the best part. Every bit of the power generated goes into the ERCOT grid. The panhandle of Texas where I live isn't on that grid, which I think isn't a bad thing. I got a chuckle a couple winters ago when all the libtards in Austin were freezing to death and we still had power. It was -15, but our heater still ran.
 
I'm going to post this and Hope it's OK ,as I don't believe it's political but rather factual .

Regardless how anyone feels about solar or wind ,there are SEVERE consequences to OUR environment in building as well as using those sources . Birds of Prey strikes ,Non birds of prey strikes and out right reflected heat death on all flying creatures who venture into Solar reflective collectors , insect over population !. Now for passive solar BLACK collectors ,where do you suppose the HEAT generated from those is going ???. What's the Big argument " GLOBAL WARMING " and how is covering nearly every damn roof top or open space with solar collectors going to help ???. The arrogance of a few is only surpassed by the GREED and STUPIDITY of LIARS ,which prey on the ignorance of the General population !

The Electric Vehicle Scam

Dr. Jay Lehr and Tom Harris
Jan 15, 2022

The utility companies have thus far had little to say about the alarming cost projections to operate electric vehicles (EVs) or the increased rates that they will be required to charge their customers. It is not just the total amount of electricity required, but the transmission lines and fast charging capacity that must be built at existing filling stations. Neither wind nor solar can support any of it. Electric vehicles will never become the mainstream of transportation!

The problems with electric vehicles (EVs), we showed that they were too expensive, too unreliable, rely on materials mined in China and other unfriendly countries, and require more electricity than the nation can afford. In this second part, we address other factors that will make any sensible reader avoid EVs like the plague. EV Charging Insanity

In order to match the 2,000 cars that a typical filling station can service in a busy 12 hours, an EV charging station would require 600, 50-watt chargers at an estimated cost of $24 million and a supply of 30 megawatts of power from the grid. That is enough to power 20,000 homes. No one likely thinks about the fact that it can take 30 minutes to 8 hours to recharge a vehicle between empty or just topping off. What are the drivers doing during that time?

ICSC-Canada board member New Zealand-based consulting engineer Bryan Leyland describes why installing electric car charging stations in a city is impractical:

“If you’ve got cars coming into a petrol station, they would stay for an average of five minutes. If you’ve got cars coming into an electric charging station, they would be at least 30 minutes, possibly an hour, but let’s say its 30 minutes. So that’s six times the surface area to park the cars while they’re being charged. So, multiply every petrol station in a city by six. Where are you going to find the place to put them?”

The government of the United Kingdom is already starting to plan for power shortages caused by the charging of thousands of EVs. Starting in June 2022, the government will restrict the time of day you can charge your EV battery. To do this, they will employ smart meters that are programmed to automatically switch off EV charging in peak times to avoid potential blackouts.

In particular, the latest UK chargers will be pre-set to not function during 9-hours of peak loads, from 8 am to 11 am (3-hours), and 4 pm to 10 pm (6-hours). Unbelievably, the UK technology decides when and if an EV can be charged, and even allows EV batteries to be drained into the UK grid if required. Imagine charging your car all night only to discover in the morning that your battery is flat since the state took the power back. Better keep your gas-powered car as a reliable and immediately available backup! While EV charging will be an attractive source of revenue generation for the government, American citizens will be up in arms.

Used Car Market

The average used EV will need a new battery before an owner can sell it, pricing them well above used internal combustion cars. The average age of an American car on the road is 12 years. A 12-year-old EV will be on its third battery. A Tesla battery typically costs $10,000 so there will not be many 12-year-old EVs on the road. Good luck trying to sell your used green fairy tale electric car!

Tuomas Katainen, an enterprising Finish Tesla owner, had an imaginative solution to the battery replacement problem—he blew up his car! New York City-based Insider magazine reported (December 27,2021): “The shop told him the faulty battery needed to be replaced, at a cost of about $22,000. In addition to the hefty fee, the work would need to be authorized by Tesla…Rather than shell out half the cost of a new Tesla to fix an old one, Katainen decided to do something different… The demolition experts from the YouTube channel Pommijätkät (Bomb Dudes) strapped 66 pounds of high explosives to the car and surrounded the area with slow-motion cameras…the 14 hotdog-shaped charges erupt into a blinding ball of fire, sending a massive shock wave rippling out from the car…The videos of the explosion have a combined 5 million views.”

We understand that the standard Tesla warranty does not cover “damage resulting from intentional actions,” like blowing the car up for a YouTube video.

EVs Per Block In Your Neighborhood

A home charging system for a Tesla requires a 75-amp service. The average house is equipped with 100-amp service. On most suburban streets the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla. For half the homes on your block to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly overloaded.

Batteries

Although the modern lithium-ion battery is four times better than the old lead-acid battery, gasoline holds 80 times the energy density. The great lithium battery in your cell phone weighs less than an ounce while the Tesla battery weighs 1,000 pounds. And what do we get for this huge cost and weight? We get a car that is far less convenient and less useful than cars powered by internal combustion engines. Bryan Leyland explained why:

“When the Model T came out, it was a dramatic improvement on the horse and cart. The electric car is a step backward into the equivalence of an ordinary car with a tiny petrol tank that takes half an hour to fill. It offers nothing in the way of convenience or extra facilities.”

Our Conclusion

The electric automobile will always be around in a niche market likely never exceeding 10% of the cars on the road. All automobile manufacturers are investing in their output and all will be disappointed in their sales. Perhaps they know this and will manufacture just what they know they can sell. This is certainly not what President Biden or California Governor Newsom are planning for. However, for as long as the present government is in power, they will be pushing the electric car as another means to run our lives. We have a chance to tell them exactly what we think of their expensive and dangerous plans when we go to the polls in November of 2022.

Dr. Jay Lehr is a Senior Policy Analyst with the International Climate Science Coalition and former Science Director of The Heartland Institute. He is an internationally renowned scientist, author, and speaker who has testified before Congress on dozens of occasions on environmental issues and consulted with nearly every agency of the national government and many foreign countries. After graduating from Princeton University at the age of 20 with a degree in Geological Engineering, he received the nation’s first Ph.D. in Groundwater Hydrology from the University of Arizona. He later became executive director of the National Association of Groundwater Scientists and Engineers.

Tom Harris is Executive Director of the Ottawa, Canada-based International Climate Science Coalition, and a policy advisor to The Heartland Institute. He has 40 years of experience as a mechanical engineer/project manager, science and technology communications professional, technical trainer, and S&T advisor to a former Opposition Senior Environment Critic in Canada’s Parliament.

You do not need to have an advanced degree in mathematics to understand the term “Overload”! The average person, no matter where you live, can quickly identify the political feel-good sensation that is being attempted by those short sighted individuals who are promoting the EV revolution….Vehicle manufacturers, Charging station builders, Transmission Line contractors, Battery producers….etc. “It’s Magic”….and you are saving the planet by creating less pollution as you get rid of your gas burning vehicle and take out a five year loan to pay for the shiny new $60,000 electric car. No more fill-ups at the service station and the global warming is solved. You can now sit back and imagine the new polar ice formations that are providing a safe environment for the Polar Bears, Seals, Penguins that we all adore. We have done our part saving humanity…..and you can see the smile on little Greta Thunberg’s face! BUT WAIT….why are we loosing power at our house?

Well the short answer is….We failed to understand that our electrical grid reached max capacity and was overloaded when all of the EV’s were plugged in tonight at the same time. The next short answer is…..where do you think the energy came from to supply the grid in the first place? It sure was not from Wind or Solar….nor from any other alternate energy source we use which, when all combined, only provides 7% of today’s use demand. It was from the traditional combustible resource called Hydrocarbons!

Until we discover a non-hydrocarbon energy source that is efficient and safe, GET OVER IT….we are committed to Oil & Gas!
 
Posting here from another thread because it looks like it fits here too.

This is the first link when I looked for car company subsidies.

How Tax Credits and Government Subsidies Have Aided the Electric-Vehicle Market


There is an obvious government push.

An electric car has 8-900 lbs of batteries in them. That's a ton of rare earth elements. That's a ton of very invasive and dirty mining.

A hybrid car has a 100 lb battery pack. That's a lot less mining.

A hydrogen fuel cell pack is 100 lbs and doesn't require rare earth metals.

60+% of America's electricity is made by fossil fuels. So until we switch to nuclear breeder reactors as our primary source of electricity electric cars are just largely an abstraction of the burning of fossil fuels. And every time energy is converted or transmitted there is loss.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)


Average Electric Car kWh Per Mile [Results From 231 EVs]


petro turbines get 12.76kWh/gal and electric cars get 2.89mi/kwh

therefore pure electric cars get approximately 37 miles per gallon of petrol burned on average (with no transmission loss) in the usa.

Fuel Economy of New Hybrid Vehicles


Hybrid cars get well north of 50 mpg now. A strait electric car is literally worse for the environment than a hybrid. Less petrol consumption and less rare earth element mining.

Once we have nuclear making almost all of our power I think a better argument can be made for strait electric cars. But once that happens we will be able to produce hydrogen as much as we want with no emissions via electrolysis and then fuel cells which use fewer and more common elements would probably be the best in terms of environmental impact and flexibility. You can carry extra hydrogen tanks but you can't charge batteries in the woods.

Some of the most horrifying words that can be uttered by men "I am from the government and I am here to help."
 
And I left out the best part. Every bit of the power generated goes into the ERCOT grid. The panhandle of Texas where I live isn't on that grid, which I think isn't a bad thing. I got a chuckle a couple winters ago when all the libtards in Austin were freezing to death and we still had power. It was -15, but our heater still ran.
No telling how many wind turbines we tossed into the panhandle. Maybe not as many as the northern front range north of denver, but man oh man i thought we had installed way too many into the panhandle. T boone was responsible for getting that all started. I never figured out why a big oil guy wanted wind power around him
 
Consequences of electric cars, looking back forty years.

I was born at the end of 1971. My first motorized vehicle was an electric car. Somewhere around 1981-83, in the formative, years, electric cars made some indelible impressions, I’ll list below.

Exhibit 1:

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My first electric car was this open wheel F-1, proudly displaying Marlboro’s livery.

Soon a stock car joined the ranks, Skoal Bandit.

Exhibit 2:

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As I youngster, I was drawn strongly to packaging that advertised “Over” 1,000 scale MPH!

These cars were controlled by guns and you pulled the “trigger” back further to make them go faster.

Now, I didn’t have a sophisticated way to measure speed back then, but I surmise that the slowest they’d go, if they moved at all, was 150 scale MPH, and 1,000 scale MPH was very conservative. In fact they accelerated to full speed in about 6 inches.


Exhibit 3:


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This photo displays the relative size of magnets and electric motor assembly that formed my early frame of reference. If adjusted to scale, there would be no room for passengers and the motor would make 10,000 HP.

Top 10 logical deductions from these pictures and my experiences with electric cars as a child:


1) “Magnum 440”: where do we suppose this led my interests?

2) “Over 1,000 scale MPH!” So set kid’s expectations of what car driving looks like from above, early on.

3) “Magnum 440-X2” About 2003, I just had to buy a S&W 500, I never really knew why I felt that way.

4) “Marlboro” let’s just say for a short while, yep, that worked.

5) Careful trigger control: So Tyco car driving’s gun is probably why I haven’t yet accidentally launched one into the berm.

6) Doesn’t really move at all, or goes directly to 150 scale MPH, and upward from there. I had to unlearn things by the time of Driver’s Ed, only to relearn those same lessons later (lol).

7) Electric cars shouldn’t stray far, 1,000 scale MPH in the slot but 1/4 inch away- stranded paper weight.

8) electric cars are made to look like real, gas cars, nothing new there, since Tyco.

9) Stock cars don’t take turns as well as F-1 cars, at any size, I’m here to say.

10) “Up to 26% Faster!” Hmmmn. Could our toys affect, … our toys? (I may need to rethink my reloading strategies.)
 
No telling how many wind turbines we tossed into the panhandle. Maybe not as many as the northern front range north of denver, but man oh man i thought we had installed way too many into the panhandle. T boone was responsible for getting that all started. I never figured out why a big oil guy wanted wind power around him
If there was a nickel to be made, Boone wasn’t going to miss the chance.
 
I'd also like to point out at any given day there can be #38 or more ACTIVE volcanoes World Wide .
Just because a volcano doesn't erupt doesn't mean it's not actively spewing toxic gases or causing problems .
Iceland is a Prime example of an extremely DANGEROUS situation , Not going to try pronouncing those names but an overdue eruption of one of the largest magnaflows under KATLA is impending DOOM !.

If Yellowstone ever decides to erupt ,it may very well end the USA ,as we now know it !!!.
https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/volcanoes/today.html

1. KATLA (Iceland)
Last erupted:
1918
Effects of a major eruption: If Katla goes off, its eruption will be 10 times stronger than Eyjafjallajokull's. Katla's larger ash plume would shoot higher in the air and spread over larger areas of Europe for a longer period, with much more devastating effects on air travel and economic trade. An eruption could tip Europe's economy — perhaps even the world's — back into severe recession or a depression.
Likelihood: Fairly high. The two volcanoes, only 12 miles apart, tend to erupt in tandem, and Katla is slightly overdue in its 80-year cycle.

https://theweek.com/articles/495053/6-volcanoes-that-could-shut-down-world

How many active volcanoes are there on Earth?​


https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-many-active-volcanoes-are-there-earth



There are about 1,350 potentially active volcanoes worldwide, aside from the continuous belts of volcanoes on the ocean floor at spreading centers like the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. About 500 of those 1,350 volcanoes have erupted in historical time. Many of those are located along the Pacific Rim in what is known as the "Ring of Fire." In the United States, volcanoes in the Cascade Range and Alaska (Aleutian volcanic chain) are part of the Ring, while Hawaiian volcanoes form over a 'hot spot' near the center of the Ring.
There are 161 potentially active volcanoes in the United States and its territories.

Back when I was in Earth Science school we use to say, there's no such thing as a dormant (inactive) volcano. Just those that haven't erupted in recorded history.

Volcanoes, hurricanes and tornadoes. Once the government can figure out how to regulate them, I'll consider support the green deal. But only consider...........
 
I'll consider support the green deal. But only consider...........

Yep. The largest contributor to CO2 in this planets atmosphere is green things that died and are being eaten by things that did not. . By like way far.
 
Volcanoes, hurricanes and tornadoes. Once the government can figure out how to regulate them, I'll consider support the green deal. But only consider...........
Gonna have to figure out how to regulate that huge fusion reactor this planet orbits every year too! If the planet’s geotechnical cycles don’t wipe out mankind first, the sun definitely will!
 
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The blades are fiberglass. I cant figure out why they were burying them. When i worked for GE there was a blade manufacturer in little rock. Thousands of jobs at a place called LM windpower. GE later acquired them. When they had a blade out of tolerance it was ground up and recycled. Its fiberglass and can be reused for lots of things such as filler for other molding processes. We tore a windfarm down just miles from the southernmost point in the US. It was built in 78 i think and was an eyesore after the neglect from a bankrupt company that owned them. All that equipment will be recycled in various scrap, still may be going on. Some of the statements are true about wind turbines. They do take a lot of oil. That oil is filtered thru a sidestream system and refreshed. Its not just dumped on the ground. Turbine lube oils last for many years, some for the life of the turbine with proper maintenance. It costs around $50/gal for the oil we used so a maintenance program on it is cheap. Its true there is SF6 gas associated with the high voltage switchgear on some. Not every turbine has SF6 gear, some use oil blast and some use air blast- its just according to the customer specs when ordering. Im a fan of wind turbines but they are not the answer to energy. Modular nuclear plants like in europe or a large PWR are the answer. None of this will work without significant power grid updates which is what im working on these days. Offshore semi submersible wind turbines right over the horizon was our best wind power option. We just dont have enough land in the right places for wind or solar. Hydro is another option. Cant really displace towns like we used to so focusing on efficiency upgrades is the answer for our hydro needs. You think the US debt is bad now just wait til we really upgrade the power grid.

Blades are NOT fiberglass ,IF you are referencing Wind Turbine blades ?. Their Epoxy carbonfiber with Sglass filament reinforcement . There's a significant difference . The Turbine industry's dirty little secret is MAINTENANCE as unpublished and UNDISCLOSED DISPOSAL of defective worn broken components .
Fire from Transmissions OVERHEATING ,as in Blades going sonic are mainly responsible . When High winds force blades out of generating alignment ( By design ) sometimes they FAIL or back wind and Transmissions EXPLODE . I've seen Two up close and way way too personal .
 
From what I read the electric car was about as well thought out as the Lefty clot shot..... Does not sound all that green to me..
 
Yep. The largest contributor to CO2 in this planets atmosphere is green things that died and are being eaten by things that did not. . By like way far.
About 25 years ago I went back to grad school - environmental science. The global warming lie was in it's infancy, so they hadn't deleted the facts yet. When the carbon (C02) thing came up I asked a question: How much carbon is sequestered every year in the trash we bury in dumps and in the things we use every day? That question was never and has never been answered. But it shouldn't be hard to estimate.
 
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