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Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

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AzSteve said:
We don't have mandates. And no one is forced to buy or drive an EV. Where do you live?
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I live in SC. I'm talking about the states that are talking about no ICE by 2030, like CA. An EV wouldn't work for me and I don't want one. I mean that if the powers that be want EV's they should start out with an intelligent plan and let success grow the process.

Maybe mandate was the wrong word. This is the type of biological waste I'm talking about.

The New York Times notes that EPA is releasing rules that are intended to ensure that electric cars represent between 54 and 60 percent of all new cars sold in the United States by 2030 and 64 to 67 percent by 2032—in 9 years.
 
Knotwild said:
I live in SC. I'm talking about the states that are talking about no ICE by 2030, like CA. An EV wouldn't work for me and I don't want one. I mean that if the powers that be want EV's they should start out with an intelligent plan and let success grow the process.

Maybe mandate was the wrong word. This is the type of biological waste I'm talking about.

The New York Times notes that EPA is releasing rules that are intended to ensure that electric cars represent between 54 and 60 percent of all new cars sold in the United States by 2030 and 64 to 67 percent by 2032—in 9 years.
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It has not been implemented, and not likely to be. I do not support such mandatory sales quotas. It might very well get there though. Plug in vehicles were nearly 10% of sales last year. Though sales do appear to be slowing their year over year increases.
 
RegionRat said:
It really isn't the cars so much as what they now represent.

I'm pretty sure that most of the negative air coming from folks is due to the lies told by politicians and folks with a conflict of interest used to push bans on everything else, rather than a technical comparison of the cars.

Add to this the public ripoff and ties to the power grid and the rest of The Green Energy crowd and it isn't hard to see how the topic of EV's now represents a threat to liberty rather than a transportation option.
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I do not object to fact based arguments against the practicality of EVs, or legitimate debate about our national policies. Battery technology lags drive train technology. But the heightened emotional response, on either the pro or con side, makes it hard to form a national policy.

Electric motors are amazing. My car rides extremely well, is fast, quiet and responsive, and it’s not even a top-of-the-line EV. There is no delay between pressing on the “gas” pedal and acceleration. Fuel does not have to be pumped somewhere and then burned, to make the car move. People who criticize electric cars should drive a premium EV just to get a feel for what the motors can do.

I freely acknowledge that we have not solved the battery problem. My biggest frustration is watching my battery/range capacity shrink on cold days when I use the heater. In reality, I have never had a real problem going where I wanted, or getting home. It’s the hypothetical trip I haven’t taken that I worry about. But all new technologies have to start somewhere.

Competition between technologies is healthy. We currently measure battery technology by comparing the range of electric cars to the range of ice vehicles. Both are competing against each other, which is a good thing. Remember when cell phones in vehicles involved a handset with a transmitter the size of a gym bag? Now who has a landline as their primary phone? That’s about where electric car batteries are today.
 
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I have an idea:

When a person is *ACTUALLY FORCED* to buy an EV against his will, he should come post here, and until then just cower in the corner under the bathroom sink waiting for the man to foist it upon him, jam it down his gullet and take his hard-earned money against his will. Until then, he should just keep cowering and keep his trap shut.

When a person *ACTUALLY OWNS* an EV, and has an exhilarating time driving it, or saves a ton of money on fuel, or is stuck in the cold with a dead battery along the roadside, or feels deceived and misled about the vehicle's capabilities, he should come and tell us about it, so we can learn from ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.

Meanwhile, we should ignore all the others, because they don't really know WTF they're talking about, it's just political talking points and scare tactics, that don't help the rest of us.

Really, guys. Really.
 
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I am never going to tell you what to drive.

But...

Asking the rest of us to stay quiet while we let this go down?

What kind of person who likes cars, wants to do this to the rest of us? Why?
What part of the US Constitution leads us here?
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Dude, if you live in California, you have so much more to worry about than this.

I applaud some of what Cali is doing, but I have told my wife I will NEVER live there, for manifold reasons. It's a different country, in effect.

I mean, if you're really in Cali, and withering under the heat of all their liberal regulations, I get it. But there is no hope for you but moving to a free state.

The rest of the "union" is not going to have california problems anytime soon.

So I'm back to my premise: cower under the sink, hide and watch, and tell us when it comes to fruition. You can be the bellwether for the rest of us. Until then it's just fear-mongering
 
^well that is complete BS and it's going to fall face flat

And Cali and the rest of the nation needs to get down with the fact that unless the grid is decarbonized (e.g., nuclearized) this specious moniker "zero emission" has got to go.

But the market economics of this will determine its doomed fate
 
You want to get ahead of those problems? Get rid of the POS clowns coming up with THOSE rules.
Move to a free state??? They'll be free till folks move there to get away from the BS coming out of California and bring it with them. :oops::oops:
 
I was FORCED to buy an EV. Well not a single EV, I have been forced to buy a portion of a lot of the EV's and a lot of the technology that goes with it, as almost everyone else has been forced to do the same. Stop the incentives, stop the tax breaks, stop the subsidies. Let the EV's grow up on their own.
 
Stop the agricultural subsidies
Stop the fossil fuel subsidies
Stop subsidizing mega corporations like Amazon through tax breaks
Stop carry forward, accounting
Treat capital gains like real income

I highly doubt that resistance to EV‘s in this thread have a whole lot to do with opposition to the tax code and the various incentives and disincentives it provides through subsidies and taxation. If the opposition is to the tax code, then we have a much larger conversation we need to have

More likely, motivated reasoning is leading many who oppose EVS, to identify what they consider to be unfairness in the tax code to support their argument against EV.

The conclusion is made, and motivated reasoning seeks reasons that support the conclusion. Backwards thinking.
 
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We can have another conversation about the subsidies and tax incentives. However this tread is about EV's. We can muck up the waters of conversation, it doesn't reduce the facts. I believe EV's have a natural growth that will succeed sooner or later without the majority supporting a minority.
 
The EV backlash builds.
Companies cut output amid flagging demand. Could it be the product?



We’ve got nothing against electric vehicles if consumers want them. But the Administration is trying to force them on the public with mandates and subsidies. This misallocation of capital harms consumers and workers. Mr. Biden’s green industrial policy isn’t failing because of bad marketing. It's failing because Americans don’t like the product.
 
secondofangle said:
Stop the agricultural subsidies
Stop the fossil fuel subsidies
Stop subsidizing mega corporations like Amazon through tax breaks
Stop carry forward, accounting
Treat capital gains like real income

I highly doubt that resistance to EV‘s in this thread have a whole lot to do with opposition to the tax code and the various incentives and disincentives it provides through subsidies and taxation. If the opposition is to the tax code, then we have a much larger conversation we need to have

More likely, motivated reasoning is leading many who oppose EVS, to identify what they consider to be unfairness in the tax code to support their argument against EV.

The conclusion is made, and motivated reasoning seeks reasons that support the conclusion. Backwards thinking.
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Do you know there was a time in America when there was no income tax of any kind.
 
secondofangle said:
Stop the agricultural subsidies
Stop the fossil fuel subsidies
Stop subsidizing mega corporations like Amazon through tax breaks
Stop carry forward, accounting
Treat capital gains like real income

I highly doubt that resistance to EV‘s in this thread have a whole lot to do with opposition to the tax code and the various incentives and disincentives it provides through subsidies and taxation. If the opposition is to the tax code, then we have a much larger conversation we need to have

More likely, motivated reasoning is leading many who oppose EVS, to identify what they consider to be unfairness in the tax code to support their argument against EV.

The conclusion is made, and motivated reasoning seeks reasons that support the conclusion. Backwards thinking.
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I think those bichin about subsidies in a very large number, are those that have their own hand in em, and have had for some time and worry about themselves loosing out to those that currently don't get any, and worried their cash stack will be lowered!

Cut em all off and make all Americans responsible contributors instead of leeches, JMHO!
 
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