Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

[Fuj]

Man, I'd like to get one of those new EV Mustangs and put a
351 Cleveland in it......

 

[jackieschmidt]

I do not understand the unqualified hate of EVs. I have gone through a couple weeks of cold weather. For local driving within its range, my Toyota e vehicle is a joy to drive. It’s a fast, stable, responsive car, even in the snow. And it’s cheap to drive, and I charge at home. It was a pleasure to tear up my gas card. Admittedly, it’s not perfect. But it’s a good car.

Everyone on this Site by now knows I drive a EV as my commuter car.
It is perfect for that task In being echinomical and very convenient In accomplishing my 92 mile commute to my business 6 days a week.

But I certainly have not torn up my gas card.

 

[ebb]

Fuj if you are going all scorched earth why not one of those 427 side oiler motors, like they put in cobras?

 

[NorCalMikie]

Can't imaging anyone spending BIG $$$$ on an EV, the weather turns COLD and you are told you CAN'T charge your car or, it turns HOT and you're told NOT to run your AC because it puts a strain on the power grid?
Or cold weather keeping the EV battery from getting enough of a charge to get you back home??
THAT would be enough to piss off the Pope!!
Even if the EV was given to you, free of charge.
3/4 of the way home isn't good enough.
Still thinking a 32 3 window or a 2 door sedan set up as an EV would be cool. You know ahead of time how far you can and can't go.
Heat, AC and tunes, set up to enjoy. And programed with as GO button. Sedan to so can head to the range with EVERYTHING you need.

It's only $$$ and you can't take it with you unless you change it into Travelers Checks.

 

[dellet]

To compare an EV trip with an ICE, compare the travel time estimate from the highest rated ABetterRoutePlanner.com to what Google Maps says your ICE will take. Make sure ABRP and Google are selecting the exact same route; you may have to "drag" the Google route to force it to take a different shunt, as ABRP must consider the locations of charge stations. Out in the vast Interior West that's the main problem. That's to compare the same route.

But to be fair, you really should let Google choose the fastest (usually shortest) route for the ICE, and compare the result to a longer route ABRP is forced to choose. It's fair to determine the real-world time penalty imposed by the EV's charging foibles.

I can tell you ABRP is conservative, erring on the side of safety. If the range estimate of the chosen vehicle suggests a 630-mile trip should require only 3 charge stops, ABRP may well have you top off 2 extra times. And ABRP may also choose a much longer route than Google, due to the dearth of charge stations on the more direct route.
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Thank you for the link to ABRP. It answered a lot of questions and helped confirm some suspicions. Not exactly like real life experience, but certainly calmed some fears, but at the same time gave some terrifying warnings.

Using a Tesla Y Long Range as the vehicle, traveling around Montana and into Idaho. All too often the trip planned included the warning “No valid plan found-this is the best attempt”. Not exactly confidence inspiring.

The Hi-Line, interstate 2 that traverses the northern portion of the state mostly along the train route, is avoided at all cost east of the Rockies. Cut Bank, Havre, Glasgow can be reached, often by way of Canada. No direct route from east Glacier to the North Dakota border. You’re limited to the distance of a single charge, or getting creative. One suggestion is to book a site in a campground that has RV hook ups along the route to charge.

Another interesting but not surprising twist is different routes going and returning. Leaving one place with 90% battery and arriving at your destination with less than 10%, with no charging stations in between was common. Reversing the travel often took a different path with at least one charge and as much a an hour or more difference. Knowing the drive, it’s pretty easy to work out that long steep grades work better one way than the other. One is a plus the other a negative on battery usage.

Another bit of fun was to keep the route, and change the vehicle. Unplug the Tesla Long Range and plug in a Chevy Volt. More often than not the dreaded “No valid plan found-this is the best attempt”. I was waiting for the “only with the self contained generator” warning to pop up.

Without buying the app, I could not adjust the weather conditions. It would be fun to plug in a 15 mph head wind on the trips across the plains.

Bottom line. If you want an EV, and live outside the city, you better do your homework before you buy. Starting with if you own an older home, in an older community, check your amperage service and figure out what kind of charger it will support.





you sure do get to see a lot more country in an EV
in fairness, I think you can take the same southern route shown in google maps, I don’t think it was any more reliable

 

[Brians356]

@dellet I'm delighted you played with ABRP, most guys I mention it to (to help prove a point) say ""Yeah, ok, whatever".

You point out a fallacy in comparing EV range to ICE. When the EV arrives with only a 10% charge, it needs to go directly to a charger! So the time needed to allow it to be useful should be added to the total trip time. An ICE vehicle with only 1 or 2 gallons remaining can still drive around the destination with impunity, say 15 to 30 miles, without freaking out. There's always a gas station nearby, and five minutes to spare.
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[RegionRat]

I do not understand the unqualified hate of EVs

It really isn't the cars so much as what they now represent.

I'm pretty sure that most of the negative air coming from folks is due to the lies told by politicians and folks with a conflict of interest used to push bans on everything else, rather than a technical comparison of the cars.

Add to this the public ripoff and ties to the power grid and the rest of The Green Energy crowd and it isn't hard to see how the topic of EV's now represents a threat to liberty rather than a transportation option.

 

[dellet]

@dellet I'm delighted you played with ABRP, most guys I mention it to (to help prove a point) say ""Yeah, ok, whatever".

You point out a fallacy in comparing EV range to ICE. When the EV arrives with only a 10% charge, it needs to go directly to a charger! So the time needed to allow it to be useful should be added to the total trip time. An ICE vehicle with only 1 or 2 gallons remaining can still drive around the destination with impunity, say 15 to 30 miles, without freaking out. There's always a gas station nearby, and five minutes to spare.
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It was very interesting to play with. I think I logged about 10,000 miles last night and this morning checking known trips. It was kind of like having family across the lake, people ask how far to your brothers place and you answer 1 mile by boat, 25 by car.

The other bit of concern would be a learning curve of the APP and the information provided. If you’re lazy and just see a charging station location and don’t click the info button, you miss the point that there is only one charger, on a well traveled route, so the likely hood that you willl have to wait is not factored in. Or the big one that the charger location is closed weekends or after 7pm.

Pretty clear picture of why @secondofangle referred to the Nissan as the leash. Why people that buy the hype without research get in trouble.

I like the idea, think the marketing is borderline fraud, they won't save the environment and forced compliance is ever my idea of a sales strategy. Add in that a significant portion of the country they are not practical, and I become somewhat anti EV. Not so much the product, as the process. Too bad really.

 

[jds holler]

We live about twenty miles from the nearest "big town" where we go shopping and to church and such. It's a rural highway, and the other night I was traveling home and came upon a electric car of some type going about twenty MPH on the highway. Road was bad for passing due to traffic, ice and snow, but when I finally did get a chance, I did. When I got in front of the guy, I noticed his headlights were very dim, and he wasn't speeding up even though the road got better.

My question is -- do these EV's have a "limp mode" or something as a power extender when they are running low on juice? jd

 

[Brians356]

Everyone on this Site by now knows I drive a EV as my commuter car.
It is perfect for that task In being echinomical and very convenient In accomplishing my 92 mile commute to my business 6 days a week.

But I certainly have not torn up my gas card.

And probably over 90% of the population lives where a BEV is just fine for the local commute and grocery/hardware runs, or local commercial routes. Yet BEV sales have already plateaued after snagging the low-hanging fruit, wth BEVs comprising only about 1% of registered cars on the road (per Edmunds last week). Inventory piling up, carmakers desperately slashing prices, and tearing up their grandiose sales projections and "net zero transition" pledges. Now the arctic weather asserts its deleterious effect. Reality intrudes.
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[Brians356]

My question is -- do these EV's have a "limp mode" or something as a power extender when they are running low on juice?

Sure they do. * You weren't aware a modern battery vehicle gets its absolute maximum range at like 5 mph.

(* Range extender, but not "power extender".)

 

[Geronimo Jim]

Ignore those 3 bullet holes in the patients head. He died of COVID! End of discussion.

Best post so far on this thread. Congrats NorCalMikie!

 

[NorCalMikie]

Ignore those 3 bullet holes in the patients head. He died of COVID! End of discussion.

Best post so far on this thread. Congrats NorCalMikie!

When you've got Kids working in the medical field, (RN) you get some of the "inside dope".

 

[Geronimo Jim]

For those who don't know, hospitals padded the covid number greatly. Anyone who
died of any reason was tested for covid and if positive, covid was listed as cause of
death. There was a big encourage to do this as the government paid big money for
all covid deaths. What a scam. Just like all this green energy crap.

 

[secondofangle]

We live about twenty miles from the nearest "big town" where we go shopping and to church and such. It's a rural highway, and the other night I was traveling home and came upon a electric car of some type going about twenty MPH on the highway. Road was bad for passing due to traffic, ice and snow, but when I finally did get a chance, I did. When I got in front of the guy, I noticed his headlights were very dim, and he wasn't speeding up even though the road got better.

My question is -- do these EV's have a "limp mode" or something as a power extender when they are running low on juice? jd

not that I know of. they just die. Of course I've never let one of the 2 I've had in the past 7 years die, but I have gotten down to 3% and it keeps going as usual

 

[secondofangle]

For those who don't know, hospitals padded the covid number greatly. Anyone who
died of any reason was tested for covid and if positive, covid was listed as cause of
death. There was a big encourage to do this as the government paid big money for
all covid deaths. What a scam. Just like all this green energy crap.

I am a pulmonary and critical care physician and during COVID I practiced in Utah and New Mexico and New York City (in April 2020: https://www.newyorker.com/science/medical-dispatch/fighting-the-coronavirus-from-new-york-to-utah) and signed hundreds of death certificates since early 2020.

No, we did not list the proximate cause of death as COVID when you had incidental COVID but died of a gunshot wound or falling down the stairs, or car accident, etc.

This is pure wrong bullshit conspiracy theory.

Just stop spewing that nonsense. It is false, bar none. Stop it and move on.

 

[AzSteve]

@dellet I'm delighted you played with ABRP, most guys I mention it to (to help prove a point) say ""Yeah, ok, whatever".

You point out a fallacy in comparing EV range to ICE. When the EV arrives with only a 10% charge, it needs to go directly to a charger! So the time needed to allow it to be useful should be added to the total trip time. An ICE vehicle with only 1 or 2 gallons remaining can still drive around the destination with impunity, say 15 to 30 miles, without freaking out. There's always a gas station nearby, and five minutes to spare.
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I have an Ioniq 6, purchased last April. Love it. I get below 10% regularly. On my car, that is about 30 miles. I have never gone below 5%. I have also not run out of gas since I was 17, and do not plan to. Running out of gas is much easier to deal with than running an EV empty, but I would never do either. Seem a ridiculous argument. I usualy charge to 80%, and drive about 200 miles on that before recharging. Costs less than $3., less than a gallon of gas. Very quiet, very comfortable, very reliable. I do not live where it gets cold, so do not worry about that.

 

[AzSteve]

Sure they do. * You weren't aware a modern battery vehicle gets its absolute maximum range at like 5 mph.

(* Range extender, but not "power extender".)

What kind of EV do you have that does that? Never heard of it. Mine gets best mileage at city speeds, about 40-45MPH

 

[Knotwild]

You know? The whole EV thing, if handled intelligently and with a plan, could work. First identify the places EV's will be applicable, like commuting in and to cities/work. Then invest in strengthening the grids in these areas and installing charging stations. Drop the idea of trucks, towing, mandates, long travels. Simply cater to people who can benefit from EV use. Let use and innovation develop along and with successful use by the public. Stop mandates and forcing use of EV's where they will not work at today's technology level. Someone could get rich with parking garages where you park your care while you work and have it charged while you are working. But, I forget, we really don't have anyone in office that is capable of good down to earth thought.

 

[AzSteve]

You know? The whole EV thing, if handled intelligently and with a plan, could work. First identify the places EV's will be applicable, like commuting in and to cities/work. Then invest in strengthening the grids in these areas and installing charging stations. Drop the idea of trucks, towing, mandates, long travels. Simply cater to people who can benefit from EV use. Let use and innovation develop along and with successful use by the public. Stop mandates and forcing use of EV's where they will not work at today's technology level. Someone could get rich with parking garages where you park your care while you work and have it charged while you are working. But, I forget, we really don't have anyone in office that is capable of good down to earth thought.

We don't have mandates. And no one is forced to buy or drive an EV. Where do you live?