The New York Times. Wouldn’t even start a fire in my fireplace with, much less quote that commie rag.
Electric Cars -- anyone own one?
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rwj
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You’re funny!!!
COLT45SA
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Train electric powered locomotives are more accurately called "diesel-electric". Diesel ICEs run generators to power the electric motors. The reasoning for electric motors is based on the fact that electric motors have a flat torque curve which enables the locomotive to produce pulling power more readily from 'slow to go'. Diesel fuel is still required to operate the generators which in turn produce electricity for the driving motors.
Just some basic information for the mindless and uninformed~!!
COLT45SA
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The larger number of the opinions expressed here show a very limited knowledge of many aspects of this whole EV discussion and its technology. For instance 1) where does electricity come from, 2) what are the different sources of electricity and what is the greatest source of that electricity, 3) what's it take in energy to produce the batteries, 4) who controls a very large measure of the lithium producing areas of the world, 5) there are many more, but I won't waste any more of my time
Brians356
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Makes sense, but in a sense you're encouraging those who do make the rules, and whose stated goals are 100% EVs and 100% "green" energy. And for what? To stop 100% natural and uncontrollable warming, ongoing since ice covered much of N. America 15,000 years ago, and wooley mammoths were the trophy game animals.
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Brians356
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Forced Labor Found In China's Car Battery Supply Chain - New York Times, 20 Jun 2022
"Cobalt Red" Describes The Horror Show Of Mining The Element - NPR, 1 Feb 2023
Child Labour, Toxic Leaks: The price we could pay for a greener future - The Guardian, 3 Jan 2021
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"Cobalt Red" Describes The Horror Show Of Mining The Element - NPR, 1 Feb 2023
Child Labour, Toxic Leaks: The price we could pay for a greener future - The Guardian, 3 Jan 2021
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D Coots
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Insurers Scrapping Low-Mileage EVs Because of Battery Non-Repairability
Brians356
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Today from Clifford D. May, FDD.org:
Germany and other European nations have been buying and burning more coal – the most polluting hydrocarbon – to make up for the oil and gas they no longer receive from Russia.
China is building about one dirty coal-fired plant every week – more than the rest of the world combined.
Pollution and CO2 emissions from those plants will vastly exceed any emissions reductions Americans and Europeans can possibly achieve.
China already accounts for more than a quarter of all global CO2 emissions. True, Beijing is also increasingly utilizing solar and wind power. But that’s to augment hydrocarbons rather than replace them – a sensible policy.
China’s rulers also know they will hugely benefit if a global energy system led by the U.S. – the world’s largest producer of hydrocarbons – transitions to one led by China – the dominant player in renewable technologies, rare earths minerals, and components used in the electric vehicles that the Biden administration is spending taxpayer dollars to bribe the auto industry to sell and consumers to purchase.
Those vehicles will require vast amounts of electricity that can’t be generated by renewables alone nor distributed adequately by an ageing and unreliable grid. Currently, only 3 out of 100 cars in California are EVs. Yet the state recently asked owners for “voluntary electricity conservation” because demand for electricity was exceeding supply. Want to bet that electricity conservation won’t be voluntary a few years from now?
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Germany and other European nations have been buying and burning more coal – the most polluting hydrocarbon – to make up for the oil and gas they no longer receive from Russia.
China is building about one dirty coal-fired plant every week – more than the rest of the world combined.
Pollution and CO2 emissions from those plants will vastly exceed any emissions reductions Americans and Europeans can possibly achieve.
China already accounts for more than a quarter of all global CO2 emissions. True, Beijing is also increasingly utilizing solar and wind power. But that’s to augment hydrocarbons rather than replace them – a sensible policy.
China’s rulers also know they will hugely benefit if a global energy system led by the U.S. – the world’s largest producer of hydrocarbons – transitions to one led by China – the dominant player in renewable technologies, rare earths minerals, and components used in the electric vehicles that the Biden administration is spending taxpayer dollars to bribe the auto industry to sell and consumers to purchase.
Those vehicles will require vast amounts of electricity that can’t be generated by renewables alone nor distributed adequately by an ageing and unreliable grid. Currently, only 3 out of 100 cars in California are EVs. Yet the state recently asked owners for “voluntary electricity conservation” because demand for electricity was exceeding supply. Want to bet that electricity conservation won’t be voluntary a few years from now?
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Brians356
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This is not from Babylon Bee, it's real. Brilliant idea: Use electricity to redistribute wealth. Consider the possibilities for EV fleet control if this actually takes effect in Kalifornia. Today it's simply "equitable" billing. Tomorrow why not equitable access to electricity? If everyone drives an EV, disfavored communities or even individuals could be denied access to it. You laugh, but, again, this is not a joke. It's real, and it's just a trial balloon.
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California’s electric companies want to charge people based on their incomes rather than their electricity consumption in a bid to make utilities more “equitable.”
The state’s major electric companies last week submitted an income-based billing proposal to the state government, which last year instructed utilities to “make electric bills more affordable and equitable.” Under the companies’ proposal, low-income households would pay as little as $15 a month in premiums, while high-income households could pay up to $128 per month. They also must pay for usage.
Pacific Gas & Electric, the state’s main utility provider, boasted that the plan will “help to limit the impact on disadvantaged communities, as Californians transition to electrification in support of the state’s clean energy goals.”
PG&E estimates that its lowest-income customers would see a 21 percent cut in their bills, while high earners would see about a 24 percent hike. The company says it would use the profits from high-income users to fund a variety of green energy initiatives, including the purchase of electric vehicles.
Californians have seen their electricity rates rise nearly 70 percent since 2010, when the state started to break from fossil fuels. California households pay nearly 83 percent more than the average for homes elsewhere in the United States.
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California’s electric companies want to charge people based on their incomes rather than their electricity consumption in a bid to make utilities more “equitable.”
The state’s major electric companies last week submitted an income-based billing proposal to the state government, which last year instructed utilities to “make electric bills more affordable and equitable.” Under the companies’ proposal, low-income households would pay as little as $15 a month in premiums, while high-income households could pay up to $128 per month. They also must pay for usage.
Pacific Gas & Electric, the state’s main utility provider, boasted that the plan will “help to limit the impact on disadvantaged communities, as Californians transition to electrification in support of the state’s clean energy goals.”
PG&E estimates that its lowest-income customers would see a 21 percent cut in their bills, while high earners would see about a 24 percent hike. The company says it would use the profits from high-income users to fund a variety of green energy initiatives, including the purchase of electric vehicles.
Californians have seen their electricity rates rise nearly 70 percent since 2010, when the state started to break from fossil fuels. California households pay nearly 83 percent more than the average for homes elsewhere in the United States.
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Anyone loving in California these days need their head examined!!!
Reminds me of amusement park bumper cars.
When the “Controller” Decided that you drove Enough, he simply shut down the grid.
When the “Controller” Decided that you drove Enough, he simply shut down the grid.
NorCalMikie
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Entire post is spot on. However the increase in the cost of electricity went up exponentially when Gray Davis was in office (1999 - 2003) and replaced via recall by another friend to none, Arnold Schwarzenegger. My opinion is that the plan is nation wide. Here in Kalifornia we serve as Guinea Pigs for the rest of the nation. I recall a time from 1983 to 1999 when we enjoyed Republican Governors, this was a nice place to live and work. Just for the record Arnold was a POS.
Yet Another Non-American, representing our government 
Dusty Stevens
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For now heres the electricity rates in the us. The infrastructure bill of course had some hidden items in it that will make it skyrocket.
www.chooseenergy.com
Electricity Rates by State | September 2024 | Choose Energy
Discover which state has the highest and lowest kWh costs throughout the country with our September 2024 Electricity Rates Report.
www.chooseenergy.com
Doesn't china control have a monopoly on all the electric car parts? Wasn't there a post not long ago about emp bomb that could destroy our power grid?
I can't believe anyone would consider buying a electric vehicle.just seems to play into China and Dems hands to me . really think buying anything electric is helping to destroy this country worse than it is...NO THANKS
I'll keep my 4x4 gas burner hemi
I can't believe anyone would consider buying a electric vehicle.just seems to play into China and Dems hands to me . really think buying anything electric is helping to destroy this country worse than it is...NO THANKS
I'll keep my 4x4 gas burner hemi
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
If an emp hits your hemi truck is dead in the water as fast as your phone AND your gas generator
Coyotefurharvester
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Good news you will be able to haul your dried cricket (groceries) weekly allowance home, provided the store is within 15 minutes travel time. 2030-2035.
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