E-Targets make it easier to practice the sport for people that are aging. This is the idea behind F-Class to start with. Golf carts helped in golf and you see people in their 90s still playing that game. A delay, 7 or 10 seconds, is needed to allow the conditions to change. The real challenge in F-Class is to read conditions correctly, as with modern equipment, if you shoot the same conditions you have great chances to hit where you want to hit. Having all the shots plotted on the display makes it easier to identify trends in your shooting pattern. Great for training purpose. During a competition, I can live with all shot plotted or only the last one. The important thing is that all shooters benefit, or not, from this feature to assure a level play field.
E-Targets for F-Class
- Thread starter Down South
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No one is trying to hamstring technological advancements. If and when the times comes where the vast majority of HighPower ranges go to e-targets, then "generally speaking" everyone will be on the same footing. Right now it's just like drag racing. There are a myriad of "classes" from "Pure Stock" to "Pro Stock" to "Funny Cars" to the "Top Fuel Dragsters".. They can run classes against classes IF the "Tree" can be set so that some cars get a head start, ergo a delay! That way it evens out the playing field. I think that by the same token, a delay will keep the "Pull Target" clubs on the same playing field as the "E-Target" clubs. If the vast majority of clubs eventually go to E-Targets and they are all on the same playing field, then that is another matter. Having said that, look at it this way. If you go to the Berger Southwest Nationals out here in Phoenix, the entirety of the week is run on "Manual Pull Targets". The 33 mins you have been allotted will have significant wind changes during that time. If you are used to shooting with NO DELAY and can get off at least 2 shots on the E Target compared to the Pull Targets with an average puller. You can conceivably "run" a couple of short races during a certain condition and put twice as many shots down during that time frame. If you get say 8 shots down during that time compared to 3 or 4 for the pull targets, you can finish in a lot less time, therefore fewer wind conditions than a pull target. You should be able to score somewhat higher>>>>but you will eventually lose any "edge" you may have had by not having to shoot in all the conditions. So when you do go to an all pull target match, like the BSWN, you may be at a disadvantage! So, by keeping a delay you will maintain that edge because you will be forced to shoot all the same conditions that a pull target will.. It is NOT hamstringing technology, it is allowing the rest of the clubs to eventually catch up on an even playing field, that's all..
Thanks, good explanation. My other point, is to allow etarget display of all shots.
I’ve left many comments on other forum posts here regarding the actual electronic target topic but long story short I converted my club 600 yard group to shot marker this year and we only shoot with the seven second delay in place and last shot being shown. I have the Admin feature in place so nobody can mess with this. If people don’t like me using the electronic targets as close to NRA rules as possible they don’t have to come shoot with us. It’s that simple. I didn’t convert to electronic targets to open up all these features and even in a survey to my group, the overwhelming percentage want the electronic targets to be used as close to paper targets as possible so they are in favor of me enforcing the rules. We will adjust our use of the e-targets when and if the NRA makes any changes.
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The e targets can be set to show them which ever way the match director wants them. Bayou does not show plots, it only the last shot taken.
One comment on etargets and records. I have seen and personally shot records or record scores in 600 and 1000 on and off the etargets. I think you will find many record scores shot across the country by many people but the matches were not registered because the club does not want to pay the extra fees involved. Shooters from Bayou were hitting record scores before electronic targets and before registered matches which I know is happening all over.
True true, and it’s not just the extra fees to register the match but the rules that go along with it. Some matches physically don’t have the number of people needed or the ability to meet all the actual rules on being a registered match that can submit record scores or don’t want to go through the hassle.
Not so in the Eastern States in Vic Hexta is almost the exclusive Belmont in QLD has them and shoots the Queens on them North Arm another big club uses them have a look on the website. There is a very good document done buy a couple of very capable blokes on the accuracy of the different target Systems Silver Mountain they concluded was not accurate enough for competitions out past 500yrds and Konsbergs had some issues. The full paper is on the web. I will post a link to it here later.
In the US what is the main system being used. I see Hexta has made quite a big inroads.
I love having a beer and reading all the posts on ET’s. Human beings crack me up. No one, NO ONE that i know is agsinst ET’s. Even the top shooters. I’m not either. Its just about keeping the sport pure to what it is and was started as. A delay needs to be a part of the game.
To many people want to drop money down and do no work. They want to make it an arms race. Keep that race in benchrest. Become a better all around shooter. Learn to read the wind.
To many people want to drop money down and do no work. They want to make it an arms race. Keep that race in benchrest. Become a better all around shooter. Learn to read the wind.
Since you kicked over this turd pile @Down South 
, are you going to shoot at Bayou Rifles on 4/7 for the 1000 on those evil e-targets? If so I will be solo if you want to run down there together.
, are you going to shoot at Bayou Rifles on 4/7 for the 1000 on those evil e-targets? If so I will be solo if you want to run down there together.I can't spell eLeCtRoNiC TeRgEt....but I agree with this.
The major difference between yall and us, is that we string fire and yall pair fire...the delay for yall is already "built in" so to speak.
Thats not the case we do very little of what we call Bisley Shooting if any. That is a style of shooting that is done in England and even then only for some matches.
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Keith Glasscock
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For those that think shooters will shoot slow regardless, take a look at this:
For those that think shooters will shoot slow regardless, take a look at this:
I've watched Brian shoot, and sure he shoots fast when his condition is steady, but few are as patient when waiting for the right condition to come back. He's fast when he can be so he can be slow when he needs to be. Great wind reader and very disciplined.
Doug Beach
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I’ve been shooting Highpower since 1995, and running our local approved matches since about 2000. We are in the process of switching over to e-targets (ShotMarker). Currently, I run them showing only the last shot, with a 7 second delay.
What I don’t understand is the level of emotion this topic seems to generate. I will shoot your match with pulled targets, e targets, delays, no delays, all shots shown , etc. I don’t give a rip. I’m still shooting against myself, and the best shooter (that day) is still going to win.
If the NRA makes some definitive determination, I’ll do it that way.
Go shoot. If you don’t win, you weren’t good enough.
What I don’t understand is the level of emotion this topic seems to generate. I will shoot your match with pulled targets, e targets, delays, no delays, all shots shown , etc. I don’t give a rip. I’m still shooting against myself, and the best shooter (that day) is still going to win.
If the NRA makes some definitive determination, I’ll do it that way.
Go shoot. If you don’t win, you weren’t good enough.
I guess rules are important for record keeping and that’s okay. Jade, I have always felt that 10sec would be satisfying for the crowd and records. In all fairness it would make the e-targets more acceptable by both sides.
Soon we will have experienced people that have never pulled a target. 10 sec is fair for all, with no information other what a pulled target would give, levels the field for the exhaustion of pulling targets and rushing afterwards to get ready to shoot.
I would like to see the older achievements comparable with the new technology. Otherwise separated records should be considered due to “spirit of the sport”
Soon we will have experienced people that have never pulled a target. 10 sec is fair for all, with no information other what a pulled target would give, levels the field for the exhaustion of pulling targets and rushing afterwards to get ready to shoot.
I would like to see the older achievements comparable with the new technology. Otherwise separated records should be considered due to “spirit of the sport”
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It's like the conservatives versus the liberals...the conservatives don't want the game to change,but we're accepting of e-targets......the liberals blow in, change the world and move on and the old ways are forgotten.
The SWN's sold out in xxx amount of minutes with pull and paste targets...I'm good with that.
I'm going to Bayou Rifles towards the end of March and shoot on the Shot Marker targets...my first time on et's...I'm gonna be ok with it and have fun, delay or no delay.
The SWN's sold out in xxx amount of minutes with pull and paste targets
...I'm good with that.I'm going to Bayou Rifles towards the end of March and shoot on the Shot Marker targets...my first time on et's...I'm gonna be ok with it and have fun, delay or no delay.
Snuggie
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We do not Skip. We are looking at them. MmmmmmHmmmmm....
I love etargets. I hate the pits. I can't wait until everyone has them. I just got a shot marker system myself, haven't shot it yet. I heard you guys had one at the last Palo match, kind of checking it out. What are your thoughts?
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