Target now 30???
E-Targets for F-Class
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Geoff my comments are strictly my point of view as a potential US customer. There is no doubt in my mind that you have a great product. What you call a personal target is in play as more than that here. I believe two national comps and really growing at club levels. The limitations of the open targets here will probably be acceptable and ways to deal with the shortcomings will be found. A target can be built to fit the existing carriers for some lumber and labor. If you have to bury wires for your system that alone might doom you here. There are very few people left over here without an IPad or some such devise. Many covered shootings stations so these devices are plenty good enough. There is still hope with more innovations and technologies that these systems can be made better. Price point is a common phrase used here and will probably be a very important point of any decision . I wish you well sir.
Stephen Dean
I assume you know I refer to ShotMarker and SMT. The closest range to me has Hexta. I have shot on all mentioned. I am convinced at each match I was at the best shooter won that day in spite of the targets if you will!!!!
Stephen Dean
I assume you know I refer to ShotMarker and SMT. The closest range to me has Hexta. I have shot on all mentioned. I am convinced at each match I was at the best shooter won that day in spite of the targets if you will!!!!
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Use straight search engines for "eletronic target systems" "f-class electronic targets" etc/etc. These are the terms users will ask Google and other search engines. Also things like SSL, updated content, indexed and searchable platforms will give Google better results. The internet runs on this now. Search results sell products.
Many people do not realize the true accuracy levels of different systems. Most of the comments on accuracy that I have seen are superficial or based on a quick visual comparison, nothing rigorous. I think you need to conduct rigorous accuracy tests on your and competing systems and compare results. But the real question is: how accurate will the national fullbore/highpower organization require from esystems? It seems to that national organizations have none-to-poor understanding of the capabilities of electronic targets and may not have the competence to do so. I wonder if ICFRA, if they ever go electronic, will attempt to get literate on etargets.
Just a comment from the Club that was the first customer for Geoff. We have used OzScore since 2012.
As he has stated, Geoff is NOT a Salesman. He is an inventor and developer.
Over here in Australia, imports are expensive, and so the E targets from Europe around 2012. It is this "tyranny of distance" which makes us Aussies a nation of innovators.
Geoff set about developing his system, not to make his fortune, more I think because of his interest in shooting and electronics, way back before North America even thought about E Targets. Yep, its relatively pricey, but has nice features.
Given the size of the Australian domestic market, and the barriers/cost of exporting to the Norther Hemisphere, no sane business person would bother.
Geoff shares his experience and knowledge freely. If he was "trying to SELL you something" he would keep the results of his experiments to himself.
By the way, our OzScore system was paid for by a State Government Grant, from the Department of Sport & Recreation as is the case with most of the E Targets around Australia.
It is the same Government system that provides Universal Health Care, Practically Free Pharmaceuticals, Free Education to Secondary Level, and you can send your kids to University without going broke. You can walk the streets without the need to be armed, and the air is clean.
As he has stated, Geoff is NOT a Salesman. He is an inventor and developer.
Over here in Australia, imports are expensive, and so the E targets from Europe around 2012. It is this "tyranny of distance" which makes us Aussies a nation of innovators.
Geoff set about developing his system, not to make his fortune, more I think because of his interest in shooting and electronics, way back before North America even thought about E Targets. Yep, its relatively pricey, but has nice features.
Given the size of the Australian domestic market, and the barriers/cost of exporting to the Norther Hemisphere, no sane business person would bother.
Geoff shares his experience and knowledge freely. If he was "trying to SELL you something" he would keep the results of his experiments to himself.
By the way, our OzScore system was paid for by a State Government Grant, from the Department of Sport & Recreation as is the case with most of the E Targets around Australia.
It is the same Government system that provides Universal Health Care, Practically Free Pharmaceuticals, Free Education to Secondary Level, and you can send your kids to University without going broke. You can walk the streets without the need to be armed, and the air is clean.
I don’t know about that. I started shooting competitively in 2007, and one of the clubs here in MN had e-targets installed for a few years already at that time. I just shot on that same system again today.
Sorry, but you’re probably going to have a hard time selling the wonders of socialism to most in this crowd. Nothing is free, your government only has money to spend after they take it from you. “Paid for by a state department grant” just means that your fellow Aussies who have no interest in your hobby had to pay for your target system.
That is an observation I have made for some time! (but please don't tell anyone!!!)
Geoff.
Steve, I think you are spot on.
If they do get serious about understanding the whats and wherefores of acoustic ET's then a whole can of worms is going to open and a lot of people are going to get very unhappy. Conversely, there are a lot of things about what is potentially possible that would get others very excited!
So maybe the prudent way forward would be to let the sleeping dogs lie and maintain the staus quo. There is a lot about ET's that a lot of people don't know. And I can't tell them. I don't know the way forward from here.
Geoff.
The testing has been done in Ozzie the results of some of that testing is in the open domain. The Hexta site has a very good write up and there are others. 1mm has been achieved actual over all distances tested. The tests I have been involved in showed a small favour to the shooter on the enclosed sound chamber. The open type I have is not as accurate as that day in day out but suitable for what I need in load development at all distances I use. My target is a 4 mic the later 8 mic may have improved the accuracy reporting day in day out across all conditions.
For those that want some information on electronic Targets have a look at ozfclass.com it has it own category for information and reviews on the different systems.
Then if you want some independent thorough testing of the different systems specifically looking at the accuracy and if that accuracy was equivalent to the manual marking systems and if any lack of accuracy could affect the score of a shooter than perhaps this website with its papers would be a good read.
But by all means ignore the data and shoot competitions on poor targets wasting your time and money on all the associated costs of entering an event to have it decided on a coin toss.
https://sites.google.com/site/etargetcomparison/home/8-goodenough
https://sites.google.com/site/etargetcomparison/home
Then if you want some independent thorough testing of the different systems specifically looking at the accuracy and if that accuracy was equivalent to the manual marking systems and if any lack of accuracy could affect the score of a shooter than perhaps this website with its papers would be a good read.
But by all means ignore the data and shoot competitions on poor targets wasting your time and money on all the associated costs of entering an event to have it decided on a coin toss.
https://sites.google.com/site/etargetcomparison/home/8-goodenough
https://sites.google.com/site/etargetcomparison/home
Hi Rick, Hope all is well.
Very glad to see your systems are now made in the USA.
I would think not having to ship them from overseas would reduce your cost to market considerably.
I was just looking around your site to see if you now post your NEW Pricing publicly but I could not find it anywhere. The website is excellent and your system is definitely top tier. The Ferrari of E targets...
Is pricing now on the website for all to see?
Thank You,
George
Edited to Add
Has this list of US Ranges using Hexta grown at all since the site was created?
https://goballistic.us/range-users/
Maybe if there are more system in use around the US more people will get to see your system 1st hand.
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Medic505
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I figured you'd be about the only one to catch that.
I remember seeing pictures a few years ago where this great government took guns from its subjects and ran over them with bulldozers.
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I see no reason to bring up such things. For the most part this has been a civil exchage. I do wish they shared a border with Mexico so they could show us how to handle such a thing. With the money spent on that issue our government could have bought every club in U.S. some targets from Geoff.
50 pages coming up....
I'll have to go back and read the opening post..
I forgot what this thread was about / created for... lol
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So the whole thing was for nothing. NRA had already addressed that. I am sure won't take much to find another bitchin topic. Or do like this one and resurrect one. Have a great day to all.
As of right now, NRA has not Officially released the next round of updated rules. But there are Unofficial early released rumors being posted by anonymous source/s.
Is that a P14 Enfield in .303?
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