Do it yourself Stock making thread

[joshb]

Thank you for the advice and insight. I was going to use wood glue, but I think you’re right an epoxy would be better. I wonder how Devcon would be as I have some of that. I will fasten it somehow and see what happens.

Good morning Hoz: Devcon might work if you use the slow cure although I’ve found it to be a little too “thick” to flow into small cracks. The West System epoxy is thinner and seeps into the smallest areas.
A BIG help in working with epoxies was learned while building the Mesquite table. I had tried using tape to contain epoxy in thru cracks but it always seeped past the tape and made a mess. A guy in Texas gave me the secret! Tyvec brand tape. The tape they make to seal the Tyvec house wrap has a glue on it that isn’t affected by epoxy!
You could wrap tape around that grip, drill a hole into the grip from the top for some all thread and pour epoxy in the hole.
I fill the hole half way with epoxy before inserting the precut rod .
In some of my stocks, I cut the middle laminate board at the grip area and put in a 2” wide piece so the grain is running parallel to the grip angle.

 

[Twdmar]

Well it’s good to see the stock school thread revived. About the stock I mentioned a few posts ago. Was gonna pitch it at one point building it, but let it lay around. Thinking I mite finish it lately, upon inspection there is a crack almost all the way through the wrist area. I had thought I took to much wood out in this area and it was one of the reasons I gave up on the stock. I may glue this is and screw it, but I don’t think it will ever be a really useful stock for me. It does seem I see many stocks with not much wood in this area.

That's fixable. I broke one completely off and initially put epoxy in the crack and tried to line it up the best I could. Then it sat for months. I normally put a dowel through the wrist of the stock but this one broke before I got there.
I made a router template and routed out rectangles across the crack. Then on the table saw and router table I made plugs to fit. I glued the plugs with wood glue because the glue joints were very tight. I also glued little pieces of some super hard oak from an old bridge underneath the walnut plugs.
Then I shaped the grip and finished by stippling. The stippling needs finishing but I wanted to try it in a match before the snow came.
Doantrevor.com has some good pictures and if you have a milling machine this should be a piece of cake. This picture is of the side that did not hide the repair as well so you can see the fix.

 

[joshb]

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[hoz53]

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Thats some great work on those stocks. Its good to see you doing some stocks. Thanks for the info on the stock repair. I will give it a shot. Ill post here how I do it and mabie that will help somebody.

 

[hoz53]

That's fixable. I broke one completely off and initially put epoxy in the crack and tried to line it up the best I could. Then it sat for months. I normally put a dowel through the wrist of the stock but this one broke before I got there.
I made a router template and routed out rectangles across the crack. Then on the table saw and router table I made plugs to fit. I glued the plugs with wood glue because the glue joints were very tight. I also glued little pieces of some super hard oak from an old bridge underneath the walnut plugs.
Then I shaped the grip and finished by stippling. The stippling needs finishing but I wanted to try it in a match before the snow came.
Doantrevor.com has some good pictures and if you have a milling machine this should be a piece of cake. This picture is of the side that did not hide the repair as well so you can see the fix.

Thats Looks good on that fix twd. At least I dont have anything in this stock, so its a good one to experiment with. Thanks for the info and ideas. ill go ahead and try to fix this.

 

[joshb]

Thats some great work on those stocks. Its good to see you doing some stocks. Thanks for the info on the stock repair. I will give it a shot. Ill post here how I do it and mabie that will help somebody.

Thanks. It’s good for my soul. Putting my hands to work on a hunk of wood takes my mind off all the problems out there!

 

[Twdmar]

Thats Looks good on that fix twd. At least I dont have anything in this stock, so its a good one to experiment with. Thanks for the info and ideas. ill go ahead and try to fix this.

This is what doan Trevor does on some his Mango stocks before they get a chance to break. This was my repair. He has some pics on his page of how he fixed one that had completely broken through the stock.

 

[hoz53]

This is what doan Trevor does on some his Mango stocks before they get a chance to break. This was my repair. He has some pics on his page of how he fixed one that had completely broken through the stock.

thats interesting- i will go check it out. I glued the stock tonite with titebond II as thats what i had on hand. Now i do have to decide how ill reinforce it. Thanks

 

[Seagull]

I wouldn't be using devcon for this job I would be using boat building epoxy . Try looking for west system epoxy if you can plus some feather weight faring filler aswell.

 

[hoz53]

I wouldn't be using devcon for this job I would be using boat building epoxy . Try looking for west system epoxy if you can plus some feather weight faring filler aswell.

ok thanks- ill look into that

 

[joshb]

ok thanks- ill look into that

You can get it shipped from Jamestown Distributors. That’s where I get mine, these days. 205 resin and 206 hardener. Get the pumps to make life easier! The filler he mentioned is good, tho these days I just use the dust from sanding the stock. Plenty of that around and it’s free!

 

[hoz53]

You can get it shipped from Jamestown Distributors. That’s where I get mine, these days. 205 resin and 206 hardener. Get the pumps to make life easier! The filler he mentioned is good, tho these days I just use the dust from sanding the stock. Plenty of that around and it’s free!

by filler i guess you mean to put into epoxy for color? Thanks for the source. I glued the crack last nite with titebond II. mabie i should have waited. i know the epoxy is stronger. Ive been impressed with the titebond in the past. I was planning on just putting a pin through the wrist now with some sort of epoxy.
thanks

 

[joshb]

by filler i guess you mean to put into epoxy for color? Thanks for the source. I glued the crack last nite with titebond II. mabie i should have waited. i know the epoxy is stronger. Ive been impressed with the titebond in the past. I was planning on just putting a pin through the wrist now with some sort of epoxy.
thanks

Ya done good. I use the titebond 2 for just about everything. For filling and such, I use epoxies. I drill a hole for the threaded rod up from the bottom before I glue on the grip cap or down from the top and pour in the epoxy. Either way works! Put a 3/8” or 1/2” piece of all thread in that grip and it’ll take a truck to break it again!

 

[hoz53]

Ya done good. I use the titebond 2 for just about everything. For filling and such, I use epoxies. I drill a hole for the threaded rod up from the bottom before I glue on the grip cap or down from the top and pour in the epoxy. Either way works! Put a 3/8” or 1/2” piece of all thread in that grip and it’ll take a truck to break it.

That titebond is amazing stuff. Ok ill do the threaded rod to it. thanks agin

 

[joshb]

That titebond is amazing stuff. Ok ill do the threaded rod to it. thanks agin

Go ahead and use that Devcon. It’ll work. Just make sure it’s the slow set stuff! I’d hate to see you get that rod half way in the hole and have the epoxy set up!

 

[hoz53]

Go ahead and use that Devcon. It’ll work. Just make sure it’s the slow set stuff! I’d hate to see you get that rod half way in the hole and have the epoxy set up!

yeah i was planning on it, since i dont have to much use to buy the other epoxy for. I did check out that jameson distributors. there are times i need significant quantities of epoxy and ill keep that west system in mind when i do

 

[Twdmar]

I think people have tested the epoxy vs wood glue multiple times and I don't think there has been a conclusive decision on which is stronger. Depending on the situation one is a better choice over the other. If you have a gap, definitely use epoxy. However, if the joint is well done, the titebond is going to be stronger than the wood so don't sweat it.
I think a good repair would be a bowtie inlay across the crack. The reason I didn't do them is that trying to do a bow tie on a mostly shaped stock was the difficulty in setting up the router template. With a mill, I think its probably easy.

 

[hoz53]

I think people have tested the epoxy vs wood glue multiple times and I don't think there has been a conclusive decision on which is stronger. Depending on the situation one is a better choice over the other. If you have a gap, definitely use epoxy. However, if the joint is well done, the titebond is going to be stronger than the wood so don't sweat it.
I think a good repair would be a bowtie inlay across the crack. The reason I didn't do them is that trying to do a bow tie on a mostly shaped stock was the difficulty in setting up the router template. With a mill, I think its probably easy.

I usually take the two pieces of wood apart and glue and clamp them. In this case I pried the crack open, poured the glue in and swabbed it around with a tie wrap. Then clamped it. Like you say if it breaks I don’t need this stock. I like that bow tie thing and may try it later. Gonna put the pin in and see how it goes.

 

[joshb]

I think people have tested the epoxy vs wood glue multiple times and I don't think there has been a conclusive decision on which is stronger. Depending on the situation one is a better choice over the other. If you have a gap, definitely use epoxy. However, if the joint is well done, the titebond is going to be stronger than the wood so don't sweat it.
I think a good repair would be a bowtie inlay across the crack. The reason I didn't do them is that trying to do a bow tie on a mostly shaped stock was the difficulty in setting up the router template. With a mill, I think its probably easy.

You’re right on that one. I’ve had more epoxied joints fail than regular wood glue!
Hoz: I use the fillers to thicken as well as color.

 

[hoz53]

You’re right on that one. I’ve had more epoxied joints fail than regular wood glue!
Hoz: I use the fillers to thicken as well as color.

Oh ok Thanks- I messed up my glue joint, how much I don’t know. That shoulda been about as simple as it gets. Anyway devconned the pin in last nite so I’ll check in a little bit.