Dan Cooper asked to resign
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Here's my take on things, now anyway...
If Dan Cooper is truly out of there then let's all continue to support this fine AMERICAN firearms factory. Nothing has yet changed their quality and commitment to all of us. If they go under who really benefits, not us, but scumbag ObombUS. That's just what the anti's want. So think about this before letting our emotions override our best judgment. After all, we are fighting for survival again. So please, consider the consequences here, let's all support what's left only if Dan Cooper is truly gone. But, if he's not out, then let Supply and Demand run its course. Fine rifles, fine employees, and one of the few fine gun companies left for us. So my thoughts now are to rally behind those left behind having to strive to run the factory business and cope with a stressful 'damage control mode' almost hourly and really working hard doing what's right for us. So folks, let's save one of our finest American Icons for awhile longer. DO NOT let ObombUS win, and he will if we let them!!!
If Dan Cooper is truly out of there then let's all continue to support this fine AMERICAN firearms factory. Nothing has yet changed their quality and commitment to all of us. If they go under who really benefits, not us, but scumbag ObombUS. That's just what the anti's want. So think about this before letting our emotions override our best judgment. After all, we are fighting for survival again. So please, consider the consequences here, let's all support what's left only if Dan Cooper is truly gone. But, if he's not out, then let Supply and Demand run its course. Fine rifles, fine employees, and one of the few fine gun companies left for us. So my thoughts now are to rally behind those left behind having to strive to run the factory business and cope with a stressful 'damage control mode' almost hourly and really working hard doing what's right for us. So folks, let's save one of our finest American Icons for awhile longer. DO NOT let ObombUS win, and he will if we let them!!!
Here's the email reply I received in response to the email I sent them, in which I expressed my concern for their employees and my outrage at Dan Cooper's support of Obama:
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In response to the recent article highlighting Dan Cooper’s personal political donations, the board of directors, shareholders and employees of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc would like to issue the following statement.
The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper.
Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms.
The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.
Daily operations will continue with the competent staff currently in place in Stevensville, MT producing the finest, most accurate rifles money can buy.
Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.
We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits.
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So, if this is true, Cooper Arms deserves further consideration for your firearms business. On the other hand, Dan Cooper is likely the biggest shareholder, and thus would personally benefit by any continued success that Cooper Arms might attain.
This makes for a tough situation for this manufacturer and socially/politically aware consumers.
Regardless, Dan Cooper seems exceedingly foolish, and has put his company in jeopardy. Maybe he's getting sentimental and weak as he ages, in a mid-life crisis sort of episode. I get that, but I will NEVER understand how any sane, responsible, moral person can think that undermining the Constitution and espousing socialism is anything but evil. And this is what the Democrats represent. So do the Republicans, but to a lesser extent. Sigh...
Good people, unite. Fight the good fight.
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In response to the recent article highlighting Dan Cooper’s personal political donations, the board of directors, shareholders and employees of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc would like to issue the following statement.
The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper.
Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms.
The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.
Daily operations will continue with the competent staff currently in place in Stevensville, MT producing the finest, most accurate rifles money can buy.
Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.
We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits.
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So, if this is true, Cooper Arms deserves further consideration for your firearms business. On the other hand, Dan Cooper is likely the biggest shareholder, and thus would personally benefit by any continued success that Cooper Arms might attain.
This makes for a tough situation for this manufacturer and socially/politically aware consumers.
Regardless, Dan Cooper seems exceedingly foolish, and has put his company in jeopardy. Maybe he's getting sentimental and weak as he ages, in a mid-life crisis sort of episode. I get that, but I will NEVER understand how any sane, responsible, moral person can think that undermining the Constitution and espousing socialism is anything but evil. And this is what the Democrats represent. So do the Republicans, but to a lesser extent. Sigh...
Good people, unite. Fight the good fight.
Where does it go from here?
Do you divorce your wife because she chooses to support something you don't?
Disown your children when they make their own decisions?
Refuse to support other members because they have a different opinion?
Stop attending matches because there is a number of shooters that choose to support someone you hate?
How surprised many of you would be to find that many of the companies you deal with and purchase from in Benchrest goodies are supporting the candidate you despise. What will you do? Stop buying from them also because they choose to use their own judgement rather than yours?
All this talk about the damage that will be caused by Obama is nothing more than speculation. No one knows what is going to happen until they see it. If in fact Dan Cooper is forced to resign, it will be at that point that I will never buy another new Cooper rifle. Be sure and tell your boss and the manufacturer of everything you own, that if they support Obama, you will sell everything, quit your job, and go live in a cave.
Do you divorce your wife because she chooses to support something you don't?
Disown your children when they make their own decisions?
Refuse to support other members because they have a different opinion?
Stop attending matches because there is a number of shooters that choose to support someone you hate?
How surprised many of you would be to find that many of the companies you deal with and purchase from in Benchrest goodies are supporting the candidate you despise. What will you do? Stop buying from them also because they choose to use their own judgement rather than yours?
All this talk about the damage that will be caused by Obama is nothing more than speculation. No one knows what is going to happen until they see it. If in fact Dan Cooper is forced to resign, it will be at that point that I will never buy another new Cooper rifle. Be sure and tell your boss and the manufacturer of everything you own, that if they support Obama, you will sell everything, quit your job, and go live in a cave.
JRS, If my livelihood is endangered by a person's proven track record ... do I REALLY want to associate myself with that person ?
NO. This same situation came up back during the Bush/Gore election when it was revealed that Tim Leatherman,LEATHERMAN TOOLS) donated & supported Gore due to his "Green" policies. I dumped all my Leatherman and went to SOG equipment and I lost count of how many SOG tools I sent to troops going overseas.
Ditto on RUGER ... when William Ruger made the statement that "Civilians" didn't need more than 10 rounds I got rid of my Rugers and have never looked back.
Not only can I vote on a ballot but I can also vote / show my approval with my wallet !
NO. This same situation came up back during the Bush/Gore election when it was revealed that Tim Leatherman,LEATHERMAN TOOLS) donated & supported Gore due to his "Green" policies. I dumped all my Leatherman and went to SOG equipment and I lost count of how many SOG tools I sent to troops going overseas.
Ditto on RUGER ... when William Ruger made the statement that "Civilians" didn't need more than 10 rounds I got rid of my Rugers and have never looked back.
Not only can I vote on a ballot but I can also vote / show my approval with my wallet !
Dan Cooper certainly isn't endangering anyones "livelihood".
It's amazing how a handful of people are willing to boycott an American made firearms company who employs American workers, bad mouth the founder, and threaten to tell everyone not to deal with them, yet have no problem buying most of their purchases "made in China" thereby supporting a COMMUNIST COUNTRY. While you're at it, don't forget to punish Russ Haydon and the other generous contributors to our sport who sell Cooper firearms. Amazing!!!!!
It's amazing how a handful of people are willing to boycott an American made firearms company who employs American workers, bad mouth the founder, and threaten to tell everyone not to deal with them, yet have no problem buying most of their purchases "made in China" thereby supporting a COMMUNIST COUNTRY. While you're at it, don't forget to punish Russ Haydon and the other generous contributors to our sport who sell Cooper firearms. Amazing!!!!!
JRS, it's only because it works. Is S&W now not a big contributor to the sport? Can we now not buy hi-cap Ruger brand magazines? Is Colt now not responding to the civilian market with new models and options?
We can all vote - with our feet and with our dollars.
Actions have consequences. Sometimes there is collateral damage. But the principles are worth fighting for in spite of the collateral damage.
At least in my opinion.
We can all vote - with our feet and with our dollars.
Actions have consequences. Sometimes there is collateral damage. But the principles are worth fighting for in spite of the collateral damage.
At least in my opinion.
JRS said:
My wife, children, and other shooters have not advocated restricting my gun owning rights or making it harder and more
expensive to purchase guns and reloading supplies, and advocating closing down gun shows. With your outlook I hope you are not a serious competitive shooter or hunter, because if the Dem's take over the Whitehouse and congress with a veto proof majority then you along with the rest of us may be legislated out of a sport that we all take very dear. That's why most of us are so vocal about our opposition to the Dem's and refuse to spend our hard earned,soon to be spread to those who don't work that hard) $$$ at any business, or business owner who supports Obama or the Dem's.
JRS said:
These are FACTS and it is obvious to most of us what is going to happen if Obama is elected
This was taken from http://www.gunbanobama.com/ which is an NRA-ILA project, and it is available in PDF form at: http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/2008Obamafactsht.pdf
FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17
FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate "assault weapons," but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18
FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1
FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15
FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5
FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and "research."8
FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9
FACT: MR COOPER OF COOPER ARMS SENT MONEY TO OBAMA FOR HIS RE-ELECTION!
JRS said:
What goes over your head is that there are CONSEQUENCES to actions. People must be held ACCOUNTABLE when they act irresponsibly. If someone chooses to smoke, that's their prerogative. But they cannot smoke in MY house, nor in MY restaurant, nor do I choose to be around them anywhere when they smoke.
Dan Cooper chooses to support a liberal who has never done anything but pander to people who don't want to be held accountable, because the GOVERNMENT will take care of them. Obama, like most Democrats, thinks that the people work for the Government, and the Government will decide what is best for the people and how much of the money the people earn stays in the pockets of those who earn it.
It is the right of a free society to oppose such power-mongers. It is the DUTY of an American to oppose such government infringement of liberty. Liberals hate personal responsibility. Conservatives and Libertarians promote personal responsibility. Dan Cooper chooses to support Obama, who is a Liberal's wet dream. We oppose Obama, so we can boycott Dan Cooper's enterprise. It's call freedom. I know you hate the concept, but you'll have to read your Patrick Henry history to know how much right-minded people value freedom.
Liberals are tolerant only of those who think like they do. The left is a hateful, intolerant, bigoted bunch of whiners, who want to blame things instead of people, who want to abort innocent babies but oppose capital punishment for serial murderers/kidnappers/rapists. Liberals want everybody to look different but act the same. Groupthink. Fascism.
But you're in a union. You part of a collective, who march in lock step, rather than being a strong individual. You ASSume the boss is going to screw you over, so you have to unionize. The biggest screw job comes from your Democrat "leaders", pal. Lick the hand that feeds you.
Nobama. Never.
tripcrow said:
What BS. I suppose the Liberals are concerned that half of the population isn't welcome at movies, or Grateful Dead concerts, or Whole Foods or EBay.
Conservatives are tolerant of other viewpoints, provided that those who espouse the other views don't try to impose them on us. That's what separates the Conservatives from the Liberals.
If you don't want to own/use an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine, then don't. That's cool.
Liberals don't want you to have that choice. Or any other choice that they don't support. And yet they're supposedly 'Pro-Choice'. Which they are, when it comes to killing their unborn babies. Such hypocrisy. Such insanity. Such evil.
I stopped a store I usually frequent quite often. It's a small food store in a small Iowa town off of 218. I got of the highway, parked and went to go buy my usual stock up.
Got to the front door and froze. They had a big "Vote Obama" sign stuck in the door and vote Obama/Biden stickers all over the place. I turned around, got in my car and left.
I won't be going back.
Again, it's their choice. But when you start espousing your politics publicly and tying them to your business, you had better be sure who your customer base is. You piss them off, you are out of luck.
I will not knowingly put money into the coffers of someone who will give it to the people that want to impinge on my rights. To heck with that.
Got to the front door and froze. They had a big "Vote Obama" sign stuck in the door and vote Obama/Biden stickers all over the place. I turned around, got in my car and left.
I won't be going back.
Again, it's their choice. But when you start espousing your politics publicly and tying them to your business, you had better be sure who your customer base is. You piss them off, you are out of luck.
I will not knowingly put money into the coffers of someone who will give it to the people that want to impinge on my rights. To heck with that.
usngunner: I think you summed up the situation nicely:
"Again, it's their choice. But when you start espousing your politics publicly and tying them to your business, you had better be sure who your customer base is. You piss them off, you are out of luck."
Mr. Cooper's actions indicated a complete disregard for the opinion/beliefs of his customer base. His right to do so, but he also must bear the consequences.
"Again, it's their choice. But when you start espousing your politics publicly and tying them to your business, you had better be sure who your customer base is. You piss them off, you are out of luck."
Mr. Cooper's actions indicated a complete disregard for the opinion/beliefs of his customer base. His right to do so, but he also must bear the consequences.
usngunner: Absolutely correct: they chose to air their political views, and influence the way their customers vote,, they are, in effect, campaigning for "him"), so we/you & I have every right to choose not to make any purchases from them. That's our "freedom of choice", at least for a little while longer. We are headed for a Socialist/Marxist government, and few seem to care: "gee, I wonder what Oprah will be talking about today".
In defence of Dan Cooper's right to support and contribute to the candidate of his choice without economic and political retribution.
Everyone on this site routinely exercises their 2nd Ammendment rights. When Dan Cooper exercised his rights, he was ex-communicated from the community. I see a disturbing hypocrisy here that may not be obvious to some. Whether or not you agree with his choice in candidate's, it was fundamentally wrong to go after him the way certain individuals did.
In pre World War ll Germany, anyone who opposed Hitler was ridiculed and shouted down by the Brown Shirts. Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.
By the way, I don't own any Coopers, am a member of the NRA, and am voting for McCain. This will save many who disagree with my opinion by resorting to name calling.
Everyone has an opinion as everyone has a choice who to buy from.
Chino69
Everyone on this site routinely exercises their 2nd Ammendment rights. When Dan Cooper exercised his rights, he was ex-communicated from the community. I see a disturbing hypocrisy here that may not be obvious to some. Whether or not you agree with his choice in candidate's, it was fundamentally wrong to go after him the way certain individuals did.
In pre World War ll Germany, anyone who opposed Hitler was ridiculed and shouted down by the Brown Shirts. Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.
By the way, I don't own any Coopers, am a member of the NRA, and am voting for McCain. This will save many who disagree with my opinion by resorting to name calling.
Everyone has an opinion as everyone has a choice who to buy from.
Chino69
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