Damage in Savage Barrel

[Dusty Stevens]

Prefits? Like this. View attachment 1107653 View attachment 1107654

I could show you the other 4, but I imagine you get the idea.

oh, I didn't think about prefits. yeah I imagine that's a pretty good one you got there!

 

[Someoldguy]

I still say the damage in the OPs barrel is from corrosion. From chemicals or condensation matters not. And I do not believe Savage is in the barrel replacement business, no matter what their correspondence said.

 

[Someoldguy]

I only see button chatter in your pics. Nothing that looks like "damage".

This is normal and a factory barrel.

Button chatter? OMG.

Most of that is pitting, for cryin' out loud.

If you look at things at 75x or 100x magnification then yes, everything looks like a gravel road.

A bore cam is not capable of nearly that. 25x or so, I expect. And that's probably too high.

 

[Zero333]

Button chatter? OMG.

All Savage Barrels I have ever scoped have it. Some worst than others. But believe it or not, I've had barrels that had horrible chatter and shot better than others with much less tool chatter.

 

[Someoldguy]

I'm not here to argue the merits or detriments of button rifling and accuracy.

What I am here to say is apart from the last of the OPs photos, that is pitting from corrosion damage, not chatter from deep drilling or button rifling.

Appearances matter little regarding barrel interiors, I believe we can all agree on that. But lets not confuse those with a background in fields other than metallurgy and machining with inaccurate explanations.

Barrel bores are largely ignored, unseen and misunderstood. Looking from the breech or muzzle end and seeing a mirror like surface is a 'happy sign', and nothing more.

If examining a bore from breech or muzzle and observing anything other than a mirror finish, about all you can ascertain is the firearm was not cleaned after the last firing. Which is not good unless you are on a firing range and have already been busy.

 

[varget204]

Looks like debris was in chamber,could have been not enough fluid to remove chips,or could be small gouges do to rifling button. I would contact Savage customer service,email them pictures of barrel,it should have never left factory

 

[chop house]

All Savage Barrels I have ever scoped have it.

ditto. and many have some amount of pitting, and several have had what appears to be mechanical damage as in missing metal on the edge of lands as if the button tore the metal away (think like hss dull cutter).

 

[mchees1]

Thanks for all the thoughts. I think the best explanation for what I see may be some defect in the steel. I will look into finding a smith to cut and crown. Thanks again for your help.

 

[carlsbad]

What are your expectations and what is reality? maybe you've heard of savage factory barrels shooting .5 moa...that would be the exception rather than the rule.

 

[mchees1]

May I ask what you use for cleaning this barrel, solvents and methods, or are you going to get your feelings hurt some more? I've seen some barrels damaged by cleaning with solvents that have strong ammonia content such as Sweet's. I lost a chunk from a R700 barrel once because I left the wrong solvent in for way too long.
My guess is Savage isn't going to replace that barrel again so you are faced with the choices stated in this thread.
Good luck sir.

Nothing too strong. Use Carb-Out bore cleaner, KG-12 copper remover, and Hoppes #9. Nothing sits in barrel - apply and remove. Works very well on all of my barrels - from customs to factory. Thanks for the thought - good idea about solvents.

 

[Someoldguy]

ditto. and many have some amount of pitting, and several have had what appears to be mechanical damage as in missing metal on the edge of lands as if the button tore the metal away (think like hss dull cutter).

I completely understand your mechanical damage comment, I've seen that as well. But can you explain why the pitting only appears in the barrel bore and not in the exterior?

I believe it's unnoticed corrosion, which most everyone is hesitant to accept , for obvious reasons

 

[Stan Taylor]

Kinda of curious what does one of these high end savages cost its hard to keep up with so many brands of rifles these days.

 

[Someoldguy]

Kinda of curious what does one of these high end savages cost its hard to keep up with so many brands of rifles these days.

They're called Savage for a reason.

LoL!

 

[Forum Boss]

Q: Did you clean with a bronze brush and reverse the brush at the muzzle, pulling it back through?

Did you short-stroke with bronze brush?

Q: Was the rifle left muzzle down after application of solvent?

One can't really tell, but it appears that something happened AFTER the rifling was created with the button process.

 

[wedgy]

Can those marks come from firing it with a solvent in the bore ?
I have seen those marks only in factory barrels and it does look like it rusted or something dissolved the metal.

 

[Zero333]

Unfortunately this is what Savage barrels look like. You're lucky that's right at the end by the muzzle so you can fix it very inexpensively.

Realistically, if it shoots less than MOA that's all you can hope for.

Fortunately for you, you handload your own, so by trying a handful of bullets and powders, you should have no problem getting 1/2 moa. But it's unlikely you will get 1/2 moa the first time at the range with a limited amount of testing.

 

[Ned Ludd]

Well mostly what these show is that you need to learn how to clean a barrel.

Really? That's a pretty snotty and ignorant answer to a legitimate question.

The correct answer is that this is simply what many Savage factory barrels look like inside...images of similar abrasions and tank tread-like tooling marks in brand new Savage factory barrels have been posted here and elsewhere.

 

[243winxb]

I would give this a try. http://www.davidtubb.com/final-finish-bullet-kits/finalfinish-bulletkit-243

 

[Straightshooter1]

I would give this a try. http://www.davidtubb.com/final-finish-bullet-kits/finalfinish-bulletkit-243

I gave this a try with my factory barrel . . . and it worked well. Not only did I get more consistency out of the barrel, but the barrel was easier to clean. The caveat though is that it'll take away some of the lands making you have a bit of a long jump or loading one's cartridges longer.

 

[dkhunt14]

Really? That's a pretty snotty and ignorant answer to a legitimate question.

The correct answer is that this is simply what many Savage factory barrels look like inside...images of similar abrasions and tank tread-like tooling marks in brand new Savage factory barrels have been posted here and elsewhere.

I see lots of fouling and copper. When a barrel is clean, it is shiny like a mirror. The bad marks will will show but the barrel itself will be shiny. You are correct about the marks, most Savage barrels look like they are threaded. Matt