Daily Bulletin Article on Suppressors

[Medic505]

plain and simple

You just told the King of Bologna he was wro.....wron....wrong???

 

[JRS]

For anyone interested, I found the paper written by Dr. Dater.

 

[swd]

All I know is I regulary shoot a Steel Varmint match in Nevada. Probably 25% of the guys there use supressors and it IS A PLEASURE to shoot along side them. The ammount of sound reduction is HUGE!! As a residendent from behind the Iron Curtain I unfortunately can't own one. I strongly hope that the Hearing Proction Act gets fired up again. It would be wonderful.

Why they are not allowed in NRA competition, I would guess them being a NFA regulated part probably has the most to do with it.

 

[JRS]

All I know is I regulary shoot a Steel Varmint match in Nevada. Probably 25% of the guys there use supressors and it IS A PLEASURE to shoot along side them. The ammount of sound reduction is HUGE!! As a residendent from behind the Iron Curtain I unfortunately can't own one. I strongly hope that the Hearing Proction Act gets fired up again. It would be wonderful.

"along side them" sure. Ask a target puller downrange if they can detect a difference in the actual sound. Once that bullet is in flight, all bets are off. Other than a reduction in felt recoil, what are you gaining using a suppressor? You'll still have to wear hearing protection, as will those shooting next to you.

 

[swd]

The sound that you hear from a distance is very different. Yes you still get the supersonic crack but the boom is pretty much all gone. The overall sound you get from the range when they guys are shooting supressors is much quieter.

 

[JRS]

The sound that you hear from a distance is very different. Yes you still get the supersonic crack but the boom is pretty much all gone. The overall sound you get from the range when they guys are shooting supressors is much quieter.

The supersonic boom is where it begins, and will follow indefinitely. Your brain quickly adjusts to sound. Though it might be too loud and hearing damaging, your brain adjusts to the sound. Crank up the volume on the stereo in your vehicle that seems acceptable to you. Get in your vehicle the next morning and WOW. Man that's loud. Don't play games with your hearing. Is there a suppressor manufacturer that states you won't need hearing protection when using their suppressors? We don't realize the things we are missing, until they are gone.

 

[Judd]

JRS...have you ever been around or used a suppressor? Your comments make me think you have not.

I don't care if they are allowed or not as I'm not playing the Fclass game but there is information in this post that is just not true and I don't believe it malicious as much as just ignorant. Heat would be the major issue w/ using a suppressor for a 20 shot string. Not sure I'd do it to mine.

 

[JRS]

JRS...have you ever been around or used a suppressor? Your comments make me think you have not.

I don't care if they are allowed or not as I'm not playing the Fclass game but there is information in this post that is just not true and I don't believe it malicious as much as just ignorant. Heat would be the major issue w/ using a suppressor for a 20 shot string. Not sure I'd do it to mine.

In fact , I have. From 1968-1976 while employed by the U.S. Army. We were young and dumb, and not issued hearing protection. They were so concerned about our health that they wanted to enhance our suntan and wiped us down with agent orange

 

[Twitchy]

https://accurateordnance.com/why-i-use-a-suppressor/

 

[Twitchy]

JRS...have you ever been around or used a suppressor? Your comments make me think you have not.

I don't care if they are allowed or not as I'm not playing the Fclass game but there is information in this post that is just not true and I don't believe it malicious as much as just ignorant. Heat would be the major issue w/ using a suppressor for a 20 shot string. Not sure I'd do it to mine.

Most are full auto rated these days. And if they're not, a 20 shot string in 20 minutes isn't going to hurt it.

 

[JRS]

https://accurateordnance.com/why-i-use-a-suppressor/

Thanks for the link. Suppressor or not, hearing protection is absolutely necessary.

 

[swd]

The supersonic boom is where it begins, and will follow indefinitely. Your brain quickly adjusts to sound. Though it might be too loud and hearing damaging, your brain adjusts to the sound. Crank up the volume on the stereo in your vehicle that seems acceptable to you. Get in your vehicle the next morning and WOW. Man that's loud. Don't play games with your hearing. Is there a suppressor manufacturer that states you won't need hearing protection when using their suppressors? We don't realize the things we are missing, until they are gone.

This is an awesome post of exactly why supressors are good. ^^^^It seems where actually on the same page here.

I never said and never will say you don't need hearing protection while using supressors. You definately still do. What I did say is it is a pleasure shooting with along side them. They make the overall expierence at a shooting range much more pleasurable. The difference they make is VERY significant. Not enough to stop using ear protection but still VERY significant.

And if you reduce the sound of the report, that is lesser volume of sound to make it to surrounding areas. Yes, the area in the 3:00 6:00 9:00 areas will get the moist benifit but down range will still have some benifit from a greatly reduced, now mostly sub sonic muffled "boom" of the exit gasses. There is no argument about sonic crack as we all know there nothing you can do about that.

Any time you can reduce sound levels to the immediate shooting area you make shooting safer for everyone. The by product of this is reduced noise is to surrounding areas making the people in surrounding areas happier and more tollerant of a shooting range.

Supressors aren't perfect but they do work pretty well. And it's the best we have as far as noise reduction at the muzzle without sacrificing supersonic speeds.

I have moderate hearing loss in my left and a significant loss in my right. I'd also like to keep what I still have. I wish my effed up, non free state would alow me to have one. Family and work keeps me here for a while at least. But I sure do enjoy shooting with my Nevada friends and their supressors.

 

[JRS]

Were it not for the additional length, weight and expense, I would most certainly have a suppressor on my rifles. My youngest sister, and brother in law, in Germany, have suppressors on all of their rifles. PM sent to you.

 

[Rsadams]

When people use suppressed rifles at my local range I can't hear them at the pistol range which is a bit away but they do definitely lower the sound levels... There's been times I have gone down to check on them to make sure everything is ok when the range is closed to the public and there's only a few people there.... They definitely have there plus and minuses... I wish they would become more main stream and ease the restrictions a bit....

 

[Hoser]

I would not see any issue allowing suppressors in F-class IF they were READILY available to all competitors. As it stands with them being an NFA item they are very time consuming and costly to acquire.

The time involved waiting for a top tier gunsmith to build or rebuild a rifle is 12-18 months on average. Wait time for a suppressor paperwork to clear is 6-8 months. Suppressors run from $250 (rimfire) to $1200 (centerfire rifle) and a tax stamp of $200. A new scope can cost $2500-3500. A new action runs $900-1500. Stocks can easily go over a grand.

Please tell me again how time consuming and costly they are.

 

[Hoser]

The noise coming from the shooting range isn't going to be reduced by using a suppressor. The sound of a bullet in flight (ballistic crack/sonic boom) is generated outside the barrel and cannot be addressed by a suppressor. Shock wave generated by anything in flight traveling over the speed of sound cannot be reduced by a suppressor. Too much Hollywood bologna is adhered to. Though it helps reduce the sound for the shooter, it does nothing for someone outside that range.

Please come to my range during a rifle match and stand 300 yards away from the firing line. I will have a relay of suppressed rifles shoot, a relay of braked rifles and a relay of plain muzzles.

In the pits the bullets overhead sound the same for sure. However you don't hear the gunfire.

You should spend some time around suppressed rifles before saying they only make things quiet for the shooter.

 

[FatBoy]

Detachable magazine AR15s are ban in Kalifornia and New York. Two of the most populous states in the country yet the AR15 is THE mainstay of the rapidly dying across the course matches.

Mercury Recoil Reducers are (to my knowledge, maybe they are) NOT ban by the NRA in Highpower competition, nor is adding 15# of lead to the handguards and buttstock of aforementioned AR15. Both reduce recoil as much or more than a suppressor.

Their two main reasons for disallowing suppressors in competition are contradicted by current rules.

I have shot a premium suppressor in F class competition. My shots started to climb after 10 rounds, slowly climbing to around 18 rounds, when mirage (even through the cover) was so bad I had to wait out shots. Now, that was with a 300wm, 230gr Berger OTMs at 2800fps in a 17# rifle. Recoil reduction is real, though not as pronounced as some may think. Rifle was also not set up for F class.

Would I shoot one on my prone rifles in a registered match? Not a chance BUT who am I to say you can't do something that is legal in almost all states now.

Also, the more competition these are used in the more the technology will be driven to improve them for the sport, and prices should come down. This helps everyone, to include the military.

inconsistent Rules like this are the reason sports like PRS continue to grow and NRA highpower is dying a slow death.

 

[ED3]

If they sold suppressors across the counter with the same restrictions as guns, it should be a National Mandate to use one. Cuts down greatly on noise. I believe in New Zealand it is considered rude not to use one.

Yeah. That's what we need: More rules....

 

[ED3]

Please come to my range during a rifle match and stand 300 yards away from the firing line. I will have a relay of suppressed rifles shoot, a relay of braked rifles and a relay of plain muzzles.

In the pits the bullets overhead sound the same for sure. However you don't hear the gunfire.

You should spend some time around suppressed rifles before saying they only make things quiet for the shooter.

Yep; from what I've experienced the muzzle report of a .308 is reduced to that of a nail gun.

 

[DirtySteve]

Yeah. That's what we need: More rules....

More rules? New Zealand is not Australia. I believe suppressors and firearms are easy to obtain there. Heck they cut their DMV employees down by 2/3rds just by making drivers licenses good till you turn 60 then you need an eye exam. I shot at the Bianchi Cup a few years with a group of guys from there. They said I should move down there because the hunting and fishing was fantastic. But I could not get the wife to go for it.