Requiring something due to law/ regulation...i.e. Rules, is far different from courtesy and etiquette.
We have too much of one, and far too little of the other.
Daily Bulletin Article on Suppressors
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We have too much of one, and far too little of the other.
14 months for my last suppressor and not everyone is guaranteed to get one... period.
what's the point?
Hoser
Gold $$ Contributor
Note everyone can buy a firearm so owning one isn't guaranteed either.
Lots of the firearms used in high power matches use detachable mags that aren't avail for purchase in some states. Yet the AR-15 dominates high power matches.
Currently the NFA wait time is 6-8 months for individual transfers. Trusts can take a little longer if there is more than one background check to run. I have seen some random ones take 10-11 months.
my last trust (SBR) took 11 months. Three people on the trust and e-file was not active. The change to the trust regulations by Obama created a backlog that has since been cleared, though trusts do take longer. Still, cans are it neccessary to shoot and I would like to pass them along to my daughter if she wants them.
Suppressors are really not that hard to get and don't have to be expensive. IMO, they aren't ready for the type of shooting we do but they have come a long way in the last 10 years. IMO, The highpower can would have to be Ti, have a larger thread pitch for the big barrels and be longer with more heat isolation. They most likely wouldn't be top of the chart for noise reduction as they would probably be thinner for anyone wishing to use irons (not really likely) unless they were sized around the length of 338Ultra, which I consider big. I do understand that it could change game, trending toward heavier bullets but F TR is already filthy with 210 shooters. How much heavier you gonna get? I don't see the über-magnums ever taking over in F-O. 300Norma Mag is a wonderful case, for all of 800 rounds. I just don't see somethjng with 70% of the barrel life and double the cost of a 6.5x284 catching on widespread BUT I have been wrong a time or two before.
In the end, so much has changed since Larry submitted the initial rule package, that I wonder why the NRA fights this. Joystick bipod made of un-ubtanium were never conceived. 8 twist barrels with 200-215gr bullets. Hell small primer Palma brass was a game changer.
I want continuity and consistency in the rules and the spirit of the rules. On one hand the NRA supports the change to NFA rules and on the other ban the use of the very item they are fighting for. What message is the NRA sending? Are they not serious in supporting the hearing protection act (long shot legislation but what else do we have?)
Suppressors are really not that hard to get and don't have to be expensive. IMO, they aren't ready for the type of shooting we do but they have come a long way in the last 10 years. IMO, The highpower can would have to be Ti, have a larger thread pitch for the big barrels and be longer with more heat isolation. They most likely wouldn't be top of the chart for noise reduction as they would probably be thinner for anyone wishing to use irons (not really likely) unless they were sized around the length of 338Ultra, which I consider big. I do understand that it could change game, trending toward heavier bullets but F TR is already filthy with 210 shooters. How much heavier you gonna get? I don't see the über-magnums ever taking over in F-O. 300Norma Mag is a wonderful case, for all of 800 rounds. I just don't see somethjng with 70% of the barrel life and double the cost of a 6.5x284 catching on widespread BUT I have been wrong a time or two before.
In the end, so much has changed since Larry submitted the initial rule package, that I wonder why the NRA fights this. Joystick bipod made of un-ubtanium were never conceived. 8 twist barrels with 200-215gr bullets. Hell small primer Palma brass was a game changer.
I want continuity and consistency in the rules and the spirit of the rules. On one hand the NRA supports the change to NFA rules and on the other ban the use of the very item they are fighting for. What message is the NRA sending? Are they not serious in supporting the hearing protection act (long shot legislation but what else do we have?)
I think they should be allowed. They are legal in most states and the rules are not so strict they dictate what you use. Then hopefully they would be the ones who win. Then maybe just maybe we could get them unregulated. Well unregulated to the point of fire arms I guess.
If that means there is never a winner at the national level from a state that prohibits their subjects from having them so be it. Maybe then they will get involved and vote with one voice.
If that means there is never a winner at the national level from a state that prohibits their subjects from having them so be it. Maybe then they will get involved and vote with one voice.
moondog
Gold $$ Contributor
Buddy of mine who shoots competitive prs matches had significant hearing/ringing and all but gave up shooting. I lent him one of my cans (shooting together it's legal) and he now has 2 on order. If for no other reason, hearing protection. I heard the largest single expense for the military is from hearing loss.
I shoot with Cans, brakes, and naked. The suppressor definitely has it's advantages. As far as noise down range. When we shoot at my range, the long targets are parallel to my house. It sounds like a 45acp in the back yard. It's 1600 yards away from the targets.
I shoot with Cans, brakes, and naked. The suppressor definitely has it's advantages. As far as noise down range. When we shoot at my range, the long targets are parallel to my house. It sounds like a 45acp in the back yard. It's 1600 yards away from the targets.
Very rude indeed.
Even in the UK, the coppers (Firearms police) encourage their use. At most ranges there it is considered rude not to use them.
Just plain common sense for hearing protection. (Very, very few in NZ or the UK would hunt without one.)
As a result of being commonplace they also cost just a fraction of the price as those sold here. Annoyingly, when I moved here I could not bring my moderators/suppressors which I considered just plain stupid. I could bring any rifle, I don't even need a firearm's license, I can own a handgun ... but I can't bring something that helps protect my ears. Go figure.
(Anyone who doesn't believe they reduce noise is kidding themselves. Sure some perform better than others. The better ones reduce noise materially.)
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Twitchy
Brass Junky
Same day, same gun, same ammo, etc.
Without can ---
With can---
Without can ---
With can---
I would like to see them deregulated and generally available over the counter. Even regulating them at all is stupid. There is no viable reason for them to be regulated at all. Calling them NFA items is Hollywood nonsense.
dgeesaman
Gold $$ Contributor
It’s easier to buy a suppressor in the US than it is to buy a gun in most other countries.
We should have the option in competition.
David
The NRA participated in the writing of the National Firearms Act, and approved it.
Perhaps but that is besides the point....
When I can walk into my LGS and buy a suppressor AND WALK OUT WITH IT THAT SAME VISIT the same as I can do with a muzzle brake or even a firearm then I will agree with you. Until then...not so much.
Respectfully submitted
The sites that come to mind right now are Wikipeda and jpfo.org
You can also google NRA Supported the National Firearms Act of 1934. During that time, the NRA was not a fear mongering enterprise.
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