Wildcat,
nice rifle, good results on the target.
nice rifle, good results on the target.
Custom actions.... are they worth the $$$$?
- Thread starter Mr.Knowit all
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Thanks Idaho.
Its certainly turned out how I wanted it and I wouldn't change anything.
Next time, I might be tempted to go for a custom action. On this particular Remington action, the screws for the front base were out of alignment which meant getting the Talley rings lapped as I almost completely ran out of horizontal adjustment when I first fitted the scope.
Its certainly turned out how I wanted it and I wouldn't change anything.
Next time, I might be tempted to go for a custom action. On this particular Remington action, the screws for the front base were out of alignment which meant getting the Talley rings lapped as I almost completely ran out of horizontal adjustment when I first fitted the scope.
Thank you gentle-man for taking the time to help me out. Your help is greatly appreciated. Now back to the drawing board.
just a thought ,,,,culd it be the rings are crroked rather than the action ???,,,,I have seen them very crooked and had people blame the action ,,!!!!...think about it,,,,Roger
Luck is what happens when preparation, and skill collide.
Custom actions eliminate the tolerances inherent in mass produced ones. If you do not see upon initial comparision, why, say a Stolle Panda action is worth the extra $$$ over a 700 SA, you will probably do as well at matches with the 700-based rifle.
Custom actions eliminate the tolerances inherent in mass produced ones. If you do not see upon initial comparision, why, say a Stolle Panda action is worth the extra $$$ over a 700 SA, you will probably do as well at matches with the 700-based rifle.
dcali
Bullet Maker
I look at it this way. Actions last *forever*. The first custom rifle I acquired is a trued 700. It shoots very well. But it's still a Remington. I'd be lying if I said that the couple hundred bucks I saved were worth it to me 20 years later. It's best to get exactly what you want and keep it forever.
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exactly...
There's a used car salesman pitching his wares on the local TV stations. His slogan, "You'll always get what you pay for here, or a bit less...".
Custom action builders stand behind their product. It's because they care, unlike the big boys.
There's a used car salesman pitching his wares on the local TV stations. His slogan, "You'll always get what you pay for here, or a bit less...".
Custom action builders stand behind their product. It's because they care, unlike the big boys.
ImBIllT
Silver $$ Contributor
I've had exceptional accuracy from all my rem 700's with nothing more than lapping the lugs (by removing the firing pin, putting a fired case in the chamber and opening and closing the bolt with valve grinding compound on the lugs until they appear to seat evenly), and a good chamber job. It has been suggested that the reason the PPC outshoot a everything else because the balloon head of Lapua and Sako .220 Russian brass allows the head to be blown to meet the bolt. With an imperfectly square bolt face, accuracy will suffer, but with a perfectly square bolt accuracy is superior to that which can be achieved with cases whose heads to not for square upon firing. Some other cases have been manufactured with balloon style heads. If you're not shooting a balloon style head case, you likely won't be moving your case heads all that much weather your bolt is square or not. For long range disciplines I doubt that customs actions or too much truing are necessary. For Benchrest, yes a custom action is worth it. After you pay for a 700, and pay to true it, you have saved very little, and as far as re-sale is concerned you still just have a 700 action.
FWIW.....Lapua did not adapt the original Sako .220 Russian case head design .....The Sako brass could not take take the pressure of Lapua .220 Russian ....not even close.
Totally disagree with the statement about customs or trued actions not being necessary for LR disciplines notwithstanding "hunting" or PRS or gong shooting.
IMHO, you leave an awful lot on the table with a non-custom actioned rifle if engaging in sanctioned competition and want to win.
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I like a factory 700 bolt handle. I am quite fond of lifting it and I even like that little click I get sometime at the top of it.
I don't like the straight handles. I have owned quite a few customs and they are nice and most of the time much slicker to operate but then lack that 700 feel. I feel my trued 700's are as accurate as most customs but do feel that there are a few customs that take it to the next level. I feel the Borden Rimrock BR action I had was the next level above and did make a more accurate rifle. I had two Rimrock BR's
I don't like the straight handles. I have owned quite a few customs and they are nice and most of the time much slicker to operate but then lack that 700 feel. I feel my trued 700's are as accurate as most customs but do feel that there are a few customs that take it to the next level. I feel the Borden Rimrock BR action I had was the next level above and did make a more accurate rifle. I had two Rimrock BR's
Borden will bend the handles to 700 spec. He did it on my hunting action.
ImBIllT
Silver $$ Contributor
Any reason a gun shooting in the .3's can't compete in NRA Highpower or even F-class? I realize it won't compete in close range group shooting.
ballistic64
Silver $$ Contributor
My bad, you are correct. I have a bad tendency to respond hastily with my bench shooters blinders on. My apologies.
swd
Silver $$ Contributor
That would take you a long ways in either.
Hengehold
Silver $$ Contributor
I had similar questions in the past and I tried to put everything into perspective first. When I started shooting I made a budget to determine how much money I spent on shooting. It included equipment, components, match entry fees, travel expenses, hotel expenses, etc. It was very obvious to me that the cost of the equipment was VERY small compared to the remainder of the expenses. I decided at that point that I would spare no expense on the equipment and cut costs elsewhere such as camping ($0-$30) rather than stay in a hotel ($60-$100).
After 15 years of Palma and NRA high power shooting, I am glad that I made that decision.
Hope this helps.
-Trevor
Look good. Be good!
I went off the deep end a few months ago and went custom everything. So far it's been worth every penny.........to me.
Eternal Student, heres my 7 lb 6.5mm SAUM (loaded and ready to go).
Built on a trued Remington 700 short action, fitted with a Wyatts extended box magazine so I can seat the Berger 140gr hunting VLD so the base of the bullet is level with the top of the shoulder (i am currently using 63grs Retumbo with no compression). Bolt is a PTG spiral fluted with skeletonised handle, M16 extractor and PTG aluminium bolt shroud. Defensive Edge custom bolt release and PTG Oberndorf aluminium bottom metal (standard Remington BDL bottom metal is junk).Lightweight Tally mounts, scope is a Bushnell 3500 4-12x DOA
Barrel is a 24 inch Criterion 1:8 twist fluted, slightly thicker than a 700 SPS contour. Stock is a McMillan McWoody, all metal work Cerakoted black.Gunsmithing down here in New Zealand by Scott Traill (no longer gunsmithing, mine was his last build).
Pushes 140gr Berger Hunting VLD's at 3075fps which is pretty much .264 Winchester Magnum ballistics.
This is a 0.332 MOA group shot off my bipod with the berger 140 hunting VLD at 0.70 off lands. Constantly hovers at 0.5 MOA or better (depends on the operator). As this is purely a hunting rifle then a Remington 700 (with a few custom additions) is all I'll ever want or need. However, if it was for a real accuracy job i'd certainly go a custom action.
Very nice rifle & great cartridge
You will be pleased to know Scott is back Gunsmithing, he does the vast majority of my work
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