COVID-19 Map worldwide, with statistics

[Dgd6mm]

Whatever the outcome is, Covid has reduced the earth population. We all see this kinda stuff on the movies and never thought it could ever happen.

Yeah, and it's ridiculous how many people think they're going to see Zombies.

 

[Brians356]

Yeah, and it's ridiculous how many people think they're going to see Zombies.

I made fun of those people, too. But turns out they were right, the Zombies are here - they come out at night in Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, and a few other leftist-ruled cities.
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[SGK]

Do we?
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I was referring to antibody testing to assess population infection. But re your point yes we need good testing and we need to keep improving. In the interim we work with what we have. (The UK had a disastrous start with testing.) At least the error is false positive rather than false negative. When dealing with something that is highly contagious and has high potential to kill it’s better to err on the side of caution and improve from there than the other way around.

 

[Brians356]

At least the error is false positive rather than false negative. When dealing with something that is highly contagious and has high potential to kill it’s better to err on the side of caution and improve from there than the other way around.

Inflating the positive count causes deaths, too, by squandering resources on healthy people, creating unnecessary panic and economic hardship, and prolonging the delay of normal health assessments, diagnoses, and treatments. Of course on the positive side, it helps certain political aspirants and boosts TV news ratings.
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[Laurie]

(The UK had a disastrous start with testing.)

It would seem that we still haven't improved nearly enough yet. People are being told the nearest test station is up to six hours drive away still. .... and positive tests are picking up again rapidly so testing demand will rise again too shortly unless it's just a blip from the English late August three day holiday weekend of 10 days ago.

............. and somebody has noticed that colleges and universities restart in a matter of weeks too. Where I live (York) we have two full size unis and several colleges with a reputed student population of no less than 40,000 - for a city with a resident population of less than 200,000. Since at least three-quarters of students will come from other parts of the country (and many from abroad) and will live in relatively high-density apartment blocks or very high density rented HMOs (Houses of Multi-occupancy), a belated realisation has occurred that this might just fuel a large upsurge in cases. As of now, the York area has a testing capacity of 500 per day.

This will apply all over the country as the UK practice is for students to choose places of learning away from their home towns (unlike in continental Europe) and some cities have even larger influxes on a % basis - eg Oxford and Cambridge, or my alma mater Edinburgh which last time I looked now hosts no fewer than five full universities and goodness knows how many colleges.

Now, you'd think somebody would have done just a little pandemic planning for these vast seasonal population surges? Apparently not - universities starting the academic year in October was apparently a quite non-forecastible event.

 

[antelopedundee]

Inflating the positive count causes deaths, too, by squandering resources on healthy people, creating unnecessary panic and economic hardship, and prolonging the delay of normal health assessments, diagnoses, and treatments. Of course on the positive side, it helps certain political aspirants and boosts TV news ratings.
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One thing that people overlook with testing is that if someone tests negative you would want the means to ensure that they stay that way. What effen good is getting tested negative and then going out 2 weeks later and getting infected?

 

[Dgd6mm]

One thing that people overlook with testing is that if someone tests negative you would want the means to ensure that they stay that way. What effen good is getting tested negative and then going out 2 weeks later and getting infected?

Well I guess if you're negative it's the other sob that should have been staying at home!

 

[antelopedundee]

Well I guess if you're negative it's the other sob that should have been staying at home!

The testing is supposed to weed out the asymptomatic carriers, but I doubt that we'll ever get sophisticated enough quickly enough so that the test can be reliable, fast [couple minutes at most] and cheap enough so that any one can get tested on a regular basis.

 

[ronsatspokane]

Yes I do know many who have had COVID, each with varying degrees of symptoms/severity. Regarding deaths, not "many" but several, yes. But I also doubt participants here (in this forum let alone in this thread) are a representative sample of the global population. Nor are experiences representative at such small sample sizes. I used to live and work in Europe. So I know a lot of people that met this 'early on'. (No doubt if I had lived in, say, Milan I'd know more.) Also, despite having grown up in a small town in a rural community, I've lived in dense urban environments for most of the last 40 years - including Auckland, Sydney, Hong Kong, NYC, Moscow, London and, now, Miami. If you live (and only circulate with people who also live) in a rural environment without many people no doubt the pandemic can feel more remote.

Thankfully the first wave is easing here in South Florida and the death toll has benefited greatly from lessons learned abroad and in the NE. Online schooling was a complete and unmitigated disaster here last week (and continues this week) mostly due to poor infrastructure and poor planning but also because parents aren't well equipped to be teacher substitutes. Basically I got no work done last week - another cost of COVID. Hopefully kids will be back in the classroom soon. Then we'll see how the northern states fare in the winter.

BTW a really interesting article in today's FT entitled "What bats can teach us about developing immunity to COVID 19." It's free to read and worth it.

Like you, I have seen much of the world over the last 40 years. There is a reason I now live in a lower population area on property. When I was young I got the attraction of high density and the opportunities it afforded. At least I thought that I knew what high density was up until I worked in China then in India. India is of course now the worlds epicenter for rona and with a population of 1.2 billion it still has a while before it runs its course. China, we don't know since they are compulsive liars and willing to kill those who are infected. The question becomes in China, how many have the government exterminated relative to how many have had the virus and how are they reporting the results (that's a rhetorical question).

Since you brought it up, most who have traveled extensively still have no idea of what high density really is. For you, Hong Kong qualifies. The rest of the places, not so much. It is hard to believe that rona has not run rampant in Hong Kong given the experience in New York. Perhaps they are not sending the infected to to convalescent centers like Como did. One thing is certain, most who fear this virus would not fare well in a more rural area where people just don't give a shit about the anxieties, fears, fetishes of those who live in higher density population centers.

Having lived in Europe, you know full well the ravages of the middle age plagues. This virus does not come close. Even absent a scientific cure, the mortality rate pales in comparison. Imagine what it will be like when a real "plague", the likes of those that ravaged Europe, hits the world. It's only a matter of time and those who are advocating that people return home, lock their doors, pull their blinds and assume the fetal position will end up jumping out their windows. The stupid bastards will probably live in a first floor apartment or their mothers basement and end up in a mental health facility or crapping on the streets of the major cities like San Francisco.

Fortunately this conversation is rapidly becoming a hindsight pseudo scientific conversation as the virus wains in the US and much of the rest of the world.

 

[Highpower-FClass]

Numbers in Texas are looking good, back down to 'pre-spike' levels in terms of hospitalizations (for the Houston area at least), and fatalities are dropping significantly as well.

Texas new case and fatality counts:


Houston area hospitalizations:

 

[afret]

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/09/the_pandemic_is_history.html

 

[Siko12]

Reduced it by 0.012% so far. Not the kind of stuff scary movies are made about.

Consider that the world population increases annually by 100 times that amount.
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I am not some kinda conspiracy theorist but i think this may be a test run, The numbers are still counting. Pray it comes to a quick end.

 

[1911nut]

“It goes through air, Bob, that’s always tougher than the touch,” “The air, you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed.”

 

[ronsatspokane]

“It goes through air, Bob, that’s always tougher than the touch,” “The air, you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed.”

My wife tells me that my gas is passed in the same way. I tell her that I may not be a long range high master when it comes to reading wind but when it comes to breaking it, I am a high master.

 

[JimT]

“It goes through air, Bob, that’s always tougher than the touch,” “The air, you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed.”

The crazy thing about it is everyone with half a brain knew that anyway.

 

[antelopedundee]

“It goes through air, Bob, that’s always tougher than the touch,” “The air, you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed.”

Yeah, just stay out of their draft and always ahead of them.

 

[Brians356]

I am not some kinda conspiracy theorist but i think this may be a test run, The numbers are still counting. Pray it comes to a quick end.

"Test run"? Listen, here's my rule: Never ascribe to conspiracy that which can be ascribed either to natural forces or to human deficiency.
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[1911nut]

“Now it’s turning out it’s not just old people, Bob. Today and yesterday some startling facts came out. It’s not just old, older people it’s plenty of young people.”

 

[Brians356]

I want this virus over with, we have a body count of a thousand a day.

I remember the horror of 100-200 Americans dying a week in Vietnam in the 60’s.

Horror indeed. How do you get up in the morning knowing 1700 per day die from heart disease in the US, 1600 per day from cancer, 450 from accidents, 200 from drug overdoses? And those numbers aren't ever going to go down much if at all.
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[rr2030]

I think if the medical facilities were not paid thousands more for COVID related deaths, we may have an accurate count of the deaths. Case in point: Daughter has a friend who's grand parent had a stroke, they died. COVID was the listed cause of death. Family protested and was told they wont change the cause of death and to take them to court. I trust no one, especially the Government, health care facilities, research facilities and the like when it pertains to COVID.