COVID-19 Map worldwide, with statistics

[JimPag]

This virus is nothing compared to the Spanish flu that Started in January of 1918 and ended in December of 1920. It infected 500 Million people and death estimates were between 17-50 million people.

 

[spclark]

Saw that yesterday I did. Gave me a fleeting feeling there might be hope this'll end sooner than later. Also reinforced my belief that what I came down with in January may likely have been from something novel.

Then today came across this little bit of info:

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENC...t-30-different-strains-new-study-finds-625333

But that the study'd Chinese in origin I'll be anxiously looking for data from more trustworthy sources either confirming or refuting what's being suggested.

 

[spclark]

This virus is nothing compared to the Spanish flu that Started in January of 1918 and ended in December of 1920. It infected 500 Million people and death estimates were between 17-50 million people.

True but they didn't have Z-Pak back then.

I don't want to contemplate a world where antibiotics are no longer effective. I sincerely hope I've passed long since if that ever should come about. I would have passed decades ago had they not been available when I needed them.

 

[SGK]

There's also a clinical trial beginning in Germany. With luck we will have a vaccine in 12-18 months. Gates is right that investment in production facilities needs to start now.

Here's a research report from Morgan Stanley that was released in early April and provides a good overview of potential treatments and their status. I'm sure everyone saw that the US National Institute of Health has recently warned people not to take the hydroxychloroquine / azithromycin combo touted by Donald due to its possible toxicity.

The second report contains key takeaways from MS's latest discussion a couple of days ago on COVID 19 with Dr Adalja of Johns Hopkins University. Note the uncertainty around the efficacy of current antibody testing which remains woefully low in the US (and elsewhere such as the UK) but is slowly being ramped up. Extensive antibody testing is a key pre-condition to getting the economy back up and running.

I wanted to post a third report which covers their modeling of infections in the US as it is very good work. However the file is too large. I will post a link to it later.

 

[SGK]

This virus is nothing compared to the Spanish flu that Started in January of 1918 and ended in December of 1920. It infected 500 Million people and death estimates were between 17-50 million people.

And had we not learnt from that and other viruses since this could well have been the same. The WHO needs to bolstered with more funds not less.

 

[JimT]

This article discusses a recently confirmed death on February 6th in California. This is 3 weeks before the previously accepted first death. The article points out that the person had not traveled and most likely became infected in early January. We were doomed from the beginning.

https://apple.news/AqiSfdCQbRHSq13u6U8nDKA

 

[spclark]

Yep:
https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/press-release-04-21-20-early.aspx

 

[spclark]

The WHO needs to bolstered with more funds not less.

Perhaps, but those funds ought not be tied to having influence over how or where they operate.

China’s ‘investments’ in Ethiopia put the current WHO director directly under their thumb. His ‘goodwill‘ towards China endangered the entire world.

 

[JimT]

There's also a clinical trial beginning in Germany. With luck we will have a vaccine in 12-18 months. Gates is right that investment in production facilities needs to start now.

Here's a research report from Morgan Stanley that was released in early April and provides a good overview of potential treatments and their status. I'm sure everyone saw that the US National Institute of Health has recently warned people not to take the hydroxychloroquine / azithromycin combo touted by Donald due to its possible toxicity.

The second report contains key takeaways from MS's latest discussion a couple of days ago on COVID 19 with Dr Adalja of Johns Hopkins University. Note the uncertainty around the efficacy of current antibody testing which remains woefully low in the US (and elsewhere such as the UK) but is slowly being ramped up. Extensive antibody testing is a key pre-condition to getting the economy back up and running.

I wanted to post a third report which covers their modeling of infections in the US as it is very good work. However the file is too large. I will post a link to it later.

I’m having difficulty finding the actual NIH pronouncement you are referring to. Can you post the link?

Also, could you post a link to the clinical VA study that is becoming a media star??

 

[SGK]

Perhaps, but those funds ought not be tied to having influence over how or where they operate.

China’s ‘investments’ in Ethiopia put the current WHO director directly under their thumb. His ‘goodwill‘ towards China endangered the entire world.

The Gates Foundation and even Rotary International provide more money to The WHO than China does. China is way down the list.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020...nization-un-coronavirus-pandemic-covid-trump/

 

[SGK]

I’m having difficulty finding the actual NIH pronouncement you are referring to. Can you post the link?

Also, could you post a link to the clinical VA study that is becoming a media star??

Here's a link to the statement on their website but probably the whole thing deserves a read starting at Introduction:

https://covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapeutic-options-under-investigation/

I'm not familiar with the VA clinical study

EDIT: I think you can download the report here https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf+html

 

[243Mendoza]

And had we not learnt from that and other viruses since this could well have been the same. The WHO needs to bolstered with more funds not less.

Is the same WHO who spread PRC lies about the virus?

 

[spclark]

Is the same WHO who spread PRC lies about the virus?

The current WHO chairman did, yes.

China's financial investments in his home country Ethiopia for 50 years motivated a strong incentive to follow China's scripts.

 

[SGK]

Is the same WHO who spread PRC lies about the virus?

Stop drinking the blame deflection coolaid. Supranational organizations are needed to fight and prepare for pandemics. The WHO is the only one we have. Is it perfect? No. Have they warned about an event such as this for many years? Yes. Should we invest in it to make it better? Yes.

 

[JimT]

Another article explaining how far behind the curve we were before cases of the virus were first detected. Also the article contains links to stories detailing NY government slow response.

It’s too bad we were spending our time sending hospital ships, building hospitals and manufacturing 30,000 ventilators for Cuomo (none of which are being used) in response to his hysterical public displays when we could have been facilitating a testing program he has yet to design and put in place.

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/23/hidden...ar-earlier-than-americans-knew-estimates-say/

 

[SGK]

A report on testing of 9 commercially available antibody testing systems.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.15.20066407v1.full.pdf

Key conclusion: "The performance of current LFIA devices is inadequate for most individual patient applications."

 

[JimT]

A report on testing of 9 commercially available antibody testing systems.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.15.20066407v1.full.pdf

Key conclusion: "The performance of current LFIA devices is inadequate for most individual patient applications."

26 million people unemployed and counting. Most likely no vaccine will ever be developed (none for SARS or MERS as of yet). No efficient way of antibody testing. AOC telling people to never go back to work. Looks like we are fricked!

Looks like Sweden had the right idea all along.

 

[SGK]

I'm more bullish on our scientists and doctors. While the virus is likely endemic, meaning it isn't going away, and we're an extremely long way from percentage infection rates to reach "herd immunity" (60-80%) and a vaccine isn't likely to be in wide circulation before the summer of 2021 (I do think we will get one) a lot of lives can be saved if the burden of infection is flattened and health systems not overrun. As I've said a few times, expect to get it - especially if you flaunt commonsense - and if you are "high-risk" take extra precautions. (If you do want to flaunt commonsense please offer your services to Smithfield in South Dakota 'cos I do like a bit of bacon in the mornings.) The economy will be reopened long before the virus is gone but when the burden of infection is more acceptable.

 

[JimT]

I'm more bullish on our scientists and doctors. While the virus is likely endemic, meaning it isn't going away, and we're an extremely long way from percentage infection rates to reach "herd immunity" (60-80%) and a vaccine isn't likely to be in wide circulation before the summer of 2021 (I do think we will get one) a lot of lives can be saved if the burden of infection is flattened and health systems not overrun. As I've said a few times, expect to get it - especially if you flaunt commonsense - and if you are "high-risk" take extra precautions. (If you do want to flaunt commonsense please offer your services to Smithfield in South Dakota 'cos I do like a bit of bacon in the mornings.) There economy will be reopened long before the virus is gone but when the burden of infection is more acceptable.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/will-there-be-a-coronavirus-vaccine-maybe-not.html

 

[ronsatspokane]

Stop drinking the blame deflection coolaid. Supranational organizations are needed to fight and prepare for pandemics. The WHO is the only one we have. Is it perfect? No. Have they warned about an event such as this for many years? Yes. Should we invest in it to make it better? Yes.

WHO has become a corrupt bureaucracy. No longer is it about world health. It has become about Chinese leverage in the UN by way of financial leverage obtained in small countries like Ethiopia. It needs to be replaced by something that is above global politics and is focused on science.