Corner crossing legal 10th circuit rules

[Kracken McGraw]

If the property owner uses public ground to travel from one of their owned parcels to another owned parcel, then they should be paying an exorbitant access fee to use that public ground if they block the public from crossing corners. They shouldn't be able to have it both ways.

Corner crossing....if they do it then the public should be able to do it.

I’m all about private property rights, but as you say to be fair there should be a lane there in the corner with four gates installed.

 

[L.Sherm]

We can argue 365 , 24, 7 and untill the courts and gov do something it won't change.
How many who say this and that needs to be done have dealt with hunters on your property, trespassers, ATV's, garbage etc.
I have, its a ROYAL PITA entitled slobs.
Put the shoe on the other foot before you judge.
I've said many times I dont like it the Gov created the problem bottom line.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

We can argue 365 , 24, 7 and untill the courts and gov do something it won't change.
How many who say this and that needs to be done have dealt with hunters on your property, trespassers, ATV's, garbage etc.
I have, its a ROYAL PITA entitled slobs.
Put the shoe on the other foot before you judge.
I've said many times I dont like it the Gov created the problem bottom line.

Hell Sherm, I don’t even invite my in-laws over.

 

[L.Sherm]

I tried to leave mine open blocked easy access to private timber land, after my wife let a guy drive to the property line to retrieve a deer he shot on the private timberland property while I was overseas working instead of stopping there he drove around the Kelly hump onto Private timberland onto non- motorized property that was it after many other problems.
Guess who they would have come looking for seeing the tracks in the snow coming from my property?

 

[rmeyerwy]

How is he "taking" property?
Is he locking people out? Absolutely.
Would you do it if you owned the land he does, I got money you would if you could.
The Gov created the problem there gonna have to fix it and it won't be cheap.

Actually yes i do own land. Deeded, state and BLM. Yes I understand your stance the Gov created the problem, acuatually I think at least in this case in wyoming, the railroad and government, the checkerboard ownership in that area is a result of the transcontinental railroad from what I understand from a historical stand point. Not only is he locking people out, but when he (they) go to sell, they are getting compensated for that government(Public) property

 

[L.Sherm]

Actually yes i do own land. Deeded, state and BLM. Yes I understand your stance the Gov created the problem, acuatually I think at least in this case in wyoming, the railroad and government, the checkerboard ownership in that area is a result of the transcontinental railroad from what I understand from a historical stand point. Not only is he locking people out, but when he (they) go to sell, they are getting compensated for that government(Public) property

Compensated? How is that?
Do you mean value because of the checker boarded land is worth more?

 

[TrapperBR549]

One more problem James J. Hill's Great Northern Railway avoided. Private sector over public projects for the win!

 

[rmeyerwy]

Compensated? How is that?
Do you mean value because of the checker boarded land is worth more?

Here is the mighty Pitchfork ranch
The ranch, at $67 million and 96,000 acres, is the most expensive listing in the state right now, Anson said, and the historic property has already attracted interested buyers.

The acreage includes 13,886 deeded acres on the ranch, which are dispersed with state and BLM leased acreage. The land also connects to two Forest Service permits that amount to 44,984 acres. State land makes up 31,600 acres, and BLM ground is the remaining 5,645 acres.
ok so granted this has some really nice lodges and houses, buildings etc., but 67,000,000/13886acres=$4825 per acre. Pretty expensive ground. 67m/96000=683 per acre, more of market price, plus you would need to pay the lease payments due. Also, you dont pay property taxs on federal land, I do on state lease ground. So there is that savings on what aprox. 50k acres. Most private ground to run cattle on is going to run $20+ per AUM, I think the fed is under $4 per aum. Keep in mind, most of this ground is sage and short grass, jackrabbits usually pack a snack...

 

[Kracken McGraw]

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Here is the mighty Pitchfork ranch
The ranch, at $67 million and 96,000 acres, is the most expensive listing in the state right now, Anson said, and the historic property has already attracted interested buyers.

The acreage includes 13,886 deeded acres on the ranch, which are dispersed with state and BLM leased acreage. The land also connects to two Forest Service permits that amount to 44,984 acres. State land makes up 31,600 acres, and BLM ground is the remaining 5,645 acres.
ok so granted this has some really nice lodges and houses, buildings etc., but 67,000,000/13886acres=$4825 per acre. Pretty expensive ground. 67m/96000=683 per acre, more of market price, plus you would need to pay the lease payments due. Also, you dont pay property taxs on federal land, I do on state lease ground. So there is that savings on what aprox. 50k acres. Most private ground to run cattle on is going to run $20+ per AUM, I think the fed is under $4 per aum. Keep in mind, most of this ground is sage and short grass, jackrabbits usually pack a snack...

It would probably take another 5-7 million to stock it with cattle. Can you even imagine what the payroll and monthly expenses would be on the ranch.
Sure hope they keep China from buying it .

 

[L.Sherm]

You can ask whatever price you want getting it is another thing, I can put a $1,000,000 on my 400,000 home doesnt mean I'm gonna get it.
You can only sell deeded land permits are permits and so are leases not deeded.
Once again who created the permits and leases? Correct me if I'm wrong the Gov.

 

[Leo_B]

I always cross at the corner. No jaywalking tickets for me!

 

[lawman29]

I think the fed is under $4 per aum

$1.35
No property taxes on federal land but States - Counties are paid under several programs including...
PILT (payments in lieu of taxes) (Dept of Interior)
Secure Rural Schools program (US Forest Service)
Taylor Grazing Act (BLM)
Mineral Royalties

 

[lawman29]

Corner-Crossing War Is Over: Supreme Court Refuses To Hear Landowner's Appeal

Being able to corner-cross private property to access landlocked public lands is now the rule across the American West, after the U.S. Supreme Court on…

cowboystatedaily.com

 

[Steve Donlon]

The ranchers I know that have leases on 100,000's of government/state land that is fenced off for cattle, can not stop the public from accessing the land. in Arizona. Open a gate, close a gate. with cattle guards.

 

[STS]

I am fortunate to be able to hunt over a million acres of BLM and Montana State lands. There is some of the BLM that is hard to get to but it's not because of private land conflict. It's because there aren't any roads to speak of into it. In fact I'm headed out in a few minutes for another coyote calling trip up there. Montana has what Wyoming is missing.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

I am all about property owners’ rights. That being said, I’ve seen way too many instances where private land owners get possessive of the public land that adjoins theirs and that, I believe, is the real issue with their opposition to corner crossing.

Do you know why they’re so possessive?

What happens when things become public?

Think gas station bathroom.

They take care of the land for generations so the local town folks can come bring a television to shoot at and leave it there, but not until they make ruts leave the gate open.

I can see both sides. Some landowners suck, some public sucks too.

There’s enough accessible public land already, I don’t know why this had to happen. Actually I do know, the commercialization of hunting.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

We can argue 365 , 24, 7 and untill the courts and gov do something it won't change.
How many who say this and that needs to be done have dealt with hunters on your property, trespassers, ATV's, garbage etc.
I have, its a ROYAL PITA entitled slobs.
Put the shoe on the other foot before you judge.
I've said many times I dont like it the Gov created the problem bottom line.

Well said

 

[Steve Donlon]

You can ask whatever price you want getting it is another thing, I can put a $1,000,000 on my 400,000 home doesnt mean I'm gonna get it.
You can only sell deeded land permits are permits and so are leases not deeded.
Once again who created the permits and leases? Correct me if I'm wrong the Gov.

I think it was a good idea back then, but things have changed. More people that need more room to do what they want to do. We need cattle and beef and only someone that is rich could own all that land in the west to ranch cattle, because it's takes a lot of land, especially in N. AZ. The only other value of this land is for developers, and they are not the answer. Most ranchers are hunters also, they have to be. It's only a few rich land owners that think they are special and don't want to share what they have, and there are more and more of them. They will develop the land at some point and enjoy it now for a while, then their family will sale it because ranching is not fun for them. I see it all the time. The kids have no idea what to do. So the local governments love the idea of development to bring more money to the economy. Then they all get together to plan how to maximize their profit. Worrying about access to public land is just a diversion. It seems dumb not to just let people have an easement to cross a corner of your land if that's all they want to do while it's still there. Something is not right. They would not be able to enforce that here. Easements are a big deal.

 

[True Grit]

The public needs to demand access to all public lands.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

The public needs to demand access to all public lands.

What if it’s land locked? No corner to jump? Then what?