Bolt action handgun

[Dusty Stevens]

And this is my Wichita. Amazingly, the barrel has over 10K+ rounds through it still shoots less than an Inch at 100! First Pic is as a center grip, second pic is same gun as a rear grip.

What kind of trigger you using as a center grip?

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Here is my Defiance action 7mm br IHMSA silhouette bolt action. A work of art.

What does defiance call their pistol action?

 

[dhagerty40]

What kind of trigger you using as a center grip?

The trigger is one of Mike Dewey's xp100 triggers with the wichita original trigger shoe and bar.

 

[Iowa Fox]

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Randy, those are some nice pistols you put together.

I've blown up the picture of the 10/22 style as far as I can and then used a magnafying glass on it. Would you be willing to share the details of what you used to build it. Do you use it at Topstraps matches?
Thanks

 

[7Fingers]

Randy, those are some nice pistols you put together.

I've blown up the picture of the 10/22 style as far as I can and then used a magnafying glass on it. Would you be willing to share the details of what you used to build it. Do you use it at Topstraps matches?
Thanks

Accurate Rifle Systems chassis, Feddersen Action, Kidd bolt, Kidd trigger and McGowen Precision Barrels 14 twist Bentz chamber 16” barrel. I will be using some at TopStraps this coming season.

 

[wheelgun7360]

What does defiance call their pistol action?

Rebel I think. Had this one for 13 years. This is the 3rd xp clone action that Defiance made. Really don’t know if they still make them!

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Rebel I think. Had this one for 13 years. This is the 3rd xp clone action that Defiance made. Really don’t know if they still make them!

Rebel is the rifle action. 700 clone on the base model

 

[JSH]

Rebel is the rifle action. 700 clone on the base model

Undesignated and it can be billed and listed as a pistol. There are several action makers that will make sure you get it as a pistol.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Undesignated and it can be billed and listed as a pistol. There are several action makers that will make sure you get it as a pistol.

Theres a reason kelbly makes the cub, remington makes the XP, savage makes the stryker, ruger makes the charger.

 

[wheelgun7360]

Rebel is the rifle action. 700 clone on the base model

All I know Rebel is inscribed on the right side of the action!! Wheelgun7360

 

[Iowa Fox]

Theres a reason kelbly makes the cub, remington makes the XP, savage makes the stryker, ruger makes the charger.

Don't forget the Savage PTA

 

[JSH]

Theres a reason kelbly makes the cub, remington makes the XP, savage makes the stryker, ruger makes the charger.

I would guess the open retail market.
All I can tell you is I know of several folks with what most would call rifle actions, that are in pistol mode all legal and with in the parameters of the law. I know of three guys that built bolt action pistols on long action 700’s. XP’s have gotten out of hand for what they are worth and have been for years.

Savage pulled a Remington trick, build it and they will come attitude. Little to no input from handgun shooters, IHMSA being the largest market. Then Remington made another stab at it with their modular tactical rig.

Sure they will put another name on it because it is different.

There are black angus and red angus, both being angus but they are still cattle and all bovines, all referred to as “beef”.

 

[NorCalMikie]

Build an SP out of anything you want.
Going all the way back to July 25,2011, ATF said 26" OAL with at least a 16" barrel it's "STILL a rifle", no matter what it looks like.
I keep a copy of that in my rang bag, just in case.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I would guess the open retail market.
All I can tell you is I know of several folks with what most would call rifle actions, that are in pistol mode all legal and with in the parameters of the law. I know of three guys that built bolt action pistols on long action 700’s. XP’s have gotten out of hand for what they are worth and have been for years.

Savage pulled a Remington trick, build it and they will come attitude. Little to no input from handgun shooters, IHMSA being the largest market. Then Remington made another stab at it with their modular tactical rig.

Sure they will put another name on it because it is different.

There are black angus and red angus, both being angus but they are still cattle and all bovines, all referred to as “beef”.

The only reason i casually mention this everytime this comes up is your neighborhood ATF guys are not going to chase down a 4473 you filled out 10yrs ago to see if it was classified as a pistol every time it was sold. If an atf guy sees you at a range with a normally rifle classified action such as a defiance rebel or a remington 700 made into a pistol you will go to jail if they decide they want to use their power, and the burden of proof will be on you to prove you didnt make a rifle into a pistol. But im sure itll be fine, the atf is not known to harass legal gun owners.

 

[Boilermaker]

The only reason i casually mention this everytime this comes up is your neighborhood ATF guys are not going to chase down a 4473 you filled out 10yrs ago to see if it was classified as a pistol every time it was sold. If an atf guy sees you at a range with a normally rifle classified action such as a defiance rebel or a remington 700 made into a pistol you will go to jail if they decide they want to use their power, and the burden of proof will be on you to prove you didnt make a rifle into a pistol. But im sure itll be fine, the atf is not known to harass legal gun owners.

Dusty,

Is building a pistol off a bare (unbuilt) Remington 700 action or any other typical bolt action rifle action any different than building a pistol on an AR 15 lower? I’ve seen that done all the time with no concern about the ATF’s classification on whether a lower was designated as a pistol or not.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Dusty,

Is building a pistol off a bare (unbuilt) Remington 700 action or any other typical bolt action rifle action any different than building a pistol on an AR 15 lower? I’ve seen that done all the time with no concern about the ATF’s classification on whether a lower was designated as a pistol or not.

An AR is too hard to keep up with, but they KNOW remington never made a 700 pistol (hence the XP). They know ruger never made a 10-22 pistol so when they see one they assume it was a rifle manufactured into a pistol. They are trained to look for the third hole on an AR and other conversions such as “sawed off” weapons since they are dangerous.

 

[Old Navy]

If you pull up ATF 4473 and go down to line 24 you will see a new action is neither a rifle or a pistol. It is listed as other.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

If you pull up ATF 4473 and go down to line 24 you will see a new action is neither a rifle or a pistol. It is listed as other.

So if you buy a new 700 action and make it into a pistol, are you willing to bet your freedom that the fudd ATF guy picking his nose on the next lane at the range is going to go hunt down your 4473 or take your word for it?

 

[Tom E]

I’m no expert on bolt action pistols, but this thing is fun to shoot and hunt with.
If you want info on anything bolt action pistol get in touch with Ernie Bishop he is the man!

 

[Tom E]

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I’m no expert on bolt action pistols, but this thing is fun to shoot and hunt with.
If you want info on anything bolt action pistol get in touch with Ernie Bishop he is the man!

And for the record that defiance action was bought and purchased as a pistol action, no problems at all