Blueprinting a Jewell Trigger???

[Erik Cortina]

So who can do a blueprint job of a jewell trigger?

I think the word "Blueprint" is bantered around with little real meaning.

You got problems with your Jewell, send it to the guys that actually own the blueprints for it.

Jewell.

So your advise to anyone wanting to blueprint a Remington 700 would be to send it to Remington?

I reread my post (3 times) and I didn't see anything even remotely suggesting that.

I think we have a communication problem here.

You suggested that he sent it to Jewell for blueprinting. It would be like sending a Remington 700 to Remington for a blueprinting job.

 

[CatShooter]

So who can do a blueprint job of a jewell trigger?

I think the word "Blueprint" is bantered around with little real meaning.

You got problems with your Jewell, send it to the guys that actually own the blueprints for it.

Jewell.

So your advise to anyone wanting to blueprint a Remington 700 would be to send it to Remington?

I reread my post (3 times) and I didn't see anything even remotely suggesting that.

I think we have a communication problem here.

You suggested that he sent it to Jewell for blueprinting. It would be like sending a Remington 700 to Remington for a blueprinting job.

Not at all...please do not attribute words and meanings to me that I did not say or imply...

 

[Erik Cortina]

So who can do a blueprint job of a jewell trigger?

I think the word "Blueprint" is bantered around with little real meaning.

You got problems with your Jewell, send it to the guys that actually own the blueprints for it.

Jewell.

So your advise to anyone wanting to blueprint a Remington 700 would be to send it to Remington?

I reread my post (3 times) and I didn't see anything even remotely suggesting that.

I think we have a communication problem here.

You suggested that he sent it to Jewell for blueprinting. It would be like sending a Remington 700 to Remington for a blueprinting job.

Not at all...please do not attribute words and meanings to me that I did not say or imply...

Then what's the difference?

 

[CatShooter]

So who can do a blueprint job of a jewell trigger?

I think the word "Blueprint" is bantered around with little real meaning.

You got problems with your Jewell, send it to the guys that actually own the blueprints for it.

Jewell.

So your advise to anyone wanting to blueprint a Remington 700 would be to send it to Remington?

I reread my post (3 times) and I didn't see anything even remotely suggesting that.

I think we have a communication problem here.

You suggested that he sent it to Jewell for blueprinting. It would be like sending a Remington 700 to Remington for a blueprinting job.

Not at all...please do not attribute words and meanings to me that I did not say or imply...

Then what's the difference?

I won't even try to explain it to you - you are not talking about the same thing.

 

[Pappy42]

I think that the original poster asked a question about improving his Jewell trigger. He got some helpful info; but I'm not sure the peeing contest adds to our knowledge.

Both pee'ers have valid points; but the vitriol doesn't, IMHO, add to the validity of either point.

Got my flame suit on.

 

[bsumoba]

Maybe the word "blueprint" and "truing" have different definitions in people's eyes. In my eyes, they are essentially the same and that means making them better.

If there is a way to make a Jewell "better", I don't think sending it to Jewell will do it. They make a great trigger and most guys here use them in their F-Class and benchrest actions. But, I don't think any kind of custom tuning or polishing is in their business model to do.

There are lots companies that do this type of work. Most gunsmith's that "blueprint" or "true" a 700 action are doing the same thing. I am sure there are guys that custom tune triggers.

I have had Penn reels "blueprinted" or "true'd" so they are more reliable, smoother, and robust when fighting that 100+ pound tuna. I can't send a reel to Penn and have them do this work. The reel is working and it is to their specs. Doesn't mean they will polish off the metal-to-metal surfaces, add ABEC-5 bearings, and polish off shaft reels.

 

[280man]

I will say this
I currently have 2 Jewell BR triggers on 2 Panda action. I installed and adjusted one per Jewels instructions. The second one was blue printed and installed by Speedy for a nominal fee. My next Jewel trigger will be blue printed and installed by Speedy. I have no idea what he did to it and I don't care. It feels that much better to me while shooting it.

 

[dedogs]

In the building trades the word "blueprint" indicates a drawing usually Architectural. I have never received a drawing from any of the gunsmiths who have "blueprinted" my Remingtons.

We have improved cases, so why can't we call a "blueprinted" action or trigger improved. Perhaps then there won't be all this hoopla. In both cases the object was in fact "improved". dedogs

 

[aj300mag]

In the building trades the word "blueprint" indicates a drawing usually Architectural.

I've been a Toolmaker for over 34 years. Blueprints are drawings of the parts which contain all (hopefully) of the dimensions that I need to manufacture the part. Prints contain numerous tolerances in reference to size, location and other features like flatness, squareness, parallelism, out of round, runout and more. Blueprinting attempts to bring all of the variances to a minimum like making the face of an action square to the bolt bore, barrel threads square and concentric to the bolt bore ect...

 

[Ledd Slinger]

With my HVRSBR trigger there is no creep, no over travel and it breaks like glass with perfect consistency every time. It hangs tight in the hanger and has no side to side wobble. Whether adjusted down to about 2 oz with the light spring or 3 lbs with the heavy spring, it has outstanding performance.

So do all Jewell triggers need 'blueprinting' to make them function at their best? Or are some Jewell triggers already as good as they can get? I honestly can't imagine how my trigger could feel anymore perfect. But I guess I'd have to feel a blueprinted HVRSBR to say for sure.

I would imagine that blueprinting a Jewell would be better served at a time after extensive use where parts have began to wear down. Is that a rational assumption?

 

[Jay Christopherson]

So far as I am aware, "blueprinting" implies that you (or someone) is returning the part to it's ideal spec - the implication being that mass manufactured items are sent out slightly out of it's perfect state. Maybe an edge is too sharp, or one part is slightly rubbing against another, something along those lines. Most manufacturers will have a QA spec - if the part passes, it's good enough to be shipped, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's as perfect as it could possibly be. If you send it back to them with no specific complaint, they are likely to stamp it "passes QA/testing" and send it back.

I think that something like what Speedy does, is take the trigger past "passes QA" to "pretty damn close to ideal".

 

[dedogs]

In the building trades the word "blueprint" indicates a drawing usually Architectural.

I've been a Toolmaker for over 34 years. Blueprints are drawings of the parts which contain all (hopefully) of the dimensions that I need to manufacture the part. Prints contain numerous tolerances in reference to size, location and other features like flatness, squareness, parallelism, out of round, runout and more. Blueprinting attempts to bring all of the variances to a minimum like making the face of an action square to the bolt bore, barrel threads square and concentric to the bolt bore ect...

So does that mean that most of us are "Blueprinting " our re-loaded ammo?

 

[CatShooter]

In the building trades the word "blueprint" indicates a drawing usually Architectural.

I've been a Toolmaker for over 34 years. Blueprints are drawings of the parts which contain all (hopefully) of the dimensions that I need to manufacture the part. Prints contain numerous tolerances in reference to size, location and other features like flatness, squareness, parallelism, out of round, runout and more. Blueprinting attempts to bring all of the variances to a minimum like making the face of an action square to the bolt bore, barrel threads square and concentric to the bolt bore ect...

So does that mean that most of us are "Blueprinting " our re-loaded ammo?

Only if you full size it

 

[Terry]

I read how Speedy cleans triggers.

Is there more?

 

[Ledd Slinger]

What exactly are the complaints on some the Jewell triggers that make shooters look to blueprinting them?

 

[Erik Cortina]

Most don't complain because they don't know the difference. It would be the same as someone complaining about an un-blueprinted Remington 700.

Blueprinting a trigger means making sure things work as they should and match each other perfectly. Also hone or grind surfaces and increase sear dwell time to minimize sear rebound.

Improving a trigger would mean adding parts to make it work different than originally intended. Blueprinting doesn't reinven the wheel, it simply makes it turn smoother.

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

I've had them blueprinted and them not blueprinted. Never saw a bit of difference on the target...

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Most don't complain because they don't know the difference. It would be the same as someone complaining about an un-blueprinted Remington 700.

Blueprinting a trigger means making sure things work as they should and match each other perfectly. Also hone or grind surfaces and increase sear dwell time to minimize sear rebound.

Improving a trigger would mean adding parts to make it work different than originally intended. Blueprinting doesn't reinven the wheel, it simply makes it turn smoother.

Gotcha. Thanks.

 

[Terry]

Most don't complain because they don't know the difference. It would be the same as someone complaining about an un-blueprinted Remington 700.

Blueprinting a trigger means making sure things work as they should and match each other perfectly. Also hone or grind surfaces and increase sear dwell time to minimize sear rebound.

Improving a trigger would mean adding parts to make it work different than originally intended. Blueprinting doesn't reinven the wheel, it simply makes it turn smoother.

Eric

You are right!

We don't know, what we don't know.

How do we fix that?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I think the term "blueprinting" is misleading. When we had our engine blocks "blueprinted" the cylinders, crank, lifter, and cam bores were all honed or bored according to the center-lines of the blue print, not just following the existing holes. Really when you "blueprint" a trigger your really just fixing it and making it work better, not machining it to the actual blueprint. In my experience the best way to "blueprint " a Jewell is to drive the 2 pins out, remove it from the trigger hanger and install a BixnAndy. ;D