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Bad Habits -- Gun Buying Trends

I see that we have the same kind of friends. I call them "alleged" friends. I really get popular a week before hunt time. They got a new scope for their birthday in June and just never got around to mounting it. And, by the way, can you load for a 243? I can't find any ammo either.
I get that all the time because it's assumed since I'm retired, I have nothing to do plus I'm an "expert". Yeah, an expert at being the dufus that gets someone else's gun to set up and dial in. I finally put on the a armor and have been saying NO. Besides, I'm fresh out of paper plates.
 
Bad Habits ! I Shoot High Power ,F/Class ?
I always say there is a Bag of Bad Habits in my Shooting Box. I just never know when one will jump out ?

As for Rifles or Pistols , I have had a great deal of them. I never fall in Love with them .
I was in a Hunting Camp Years ago , this Guy fell in Love with my Custom .270. He went on and on how he want one like it ! I got to the point I said " why have a copy you can have the Original ".
He wrote a nice check .

Boy I wish I had some of those Rifles today :(
My 21 year old son has been shooting with me for years and he recently bought two military weapons, one was a webley RIC .320CF and the other is an International Harvester M1 carbine made in 1943. I told him to keep buying old military collectibles and he is sure to see his collection appreciate.
dave
 
I could never be one of those guys who buys firearms to collect but not shoot them. I've got to shoot them. If it's a situation where their not getting shot or I don't want to shoot them.... I have to let them go. But yes the thrill for me is in shooting them or being able to shoot them when I want. My Dad is the opposite. He can buy one and never shoot it at all. He enjoys getting them out every once in a while and cleaning them. He hasn't shot any of them in at least 20 years. I don't understand it.
 
What sucks is trying to justify selling the turd your stuck with, Only to stick some poor unsuspecting dummy with it. So my collection has grown.

Dummy
Years ago I sold a Roooger 77/22H that simply shot 9 inch groups no matter what I did. I felt a little bad for years about it. Then one day I got a call from the guy who bought it. He had some issue with a pistol he sold and couldn't recall who he sold it to. Thought it was me. When I said no, he asked if I was the person he bought the 22 Hornet from...gulp...uh...ya i said. He waxed on and on about how he loved it, and it is the best rifle he ever shot, he shoots it all the time, loves it loves it loves it...

I no longer feel bad.
 
He waxed on and on about how he loved it, and it is the best rifle he ever shot, he shoots it all the time, loves it loves it loves it...

I no longer feel bad.

That would drive me nuts wanting to know what in the hell he did different. Of course it'd be risky asking because he might get wise to the fact you knowingly sold a lemon when he replies that he spend hundreds on load development only to spend hundreds more rebarreling...
 
That would drive me nuts wanting to know what in the hell he did different. Of course it'd be risky asking because he might get wise to the fact you knowingly sold a lemon when he replies that he spend hundreds on load development only to spend hundreds more rebarreling...
I think he just THINKS it shoots good. Like once he whipped it out from the bed of his truck and whacked a VERY unlucky groundhog and now "its the best dang gun he ever shot". That is my theory because I exhausted every trick short of starting over with an Annie...
 
I think he just THINKS it shoots good. Like once he whipped it out from the bed of his truck and whacked a VERY unlucky groundhog and now "its the best dang gun he ever shot". That is my theory because I exhausted every trick short of starting over with an Annie...
Whats his name?? I may have a few real shooters to um sell
 
Self confessions are good for the soul. :)

I imagine if you have been in a hobby long enough most of us tend to expand our involvement and stuff. For me, my weakness was for S&W revolvers. After I obtained my first professional job, I began accumulating them, not as a collector, but as a shooter. From the early 70's to the mid 90's I think I had at one time or another just about every model they sold. I bought and traded, bought and sold, bought and kept. It was nuts but I was obsessed. :( If I had kept all of them, I'd be a millionaire today because they have escalated so much in value. I have to confess however, it was fun shooting all of them and trying different model's, barrel lengths, and calibers.

When the rifle bug hit, I controlled it better but still bought rifles I really didn't need but talked myself into. I imagine most of us have done that at one time or another. I also believed I could get any factory rifle to shoot with modifications, tailored reloads, etc. For the most part, it was true but I spend a lot of time and money on this endeavor and for me, it wasn't fun.

Fast forward to a few years ago - enlightenment! I finally came to the realization that it was the shooting and hunting that I really enjoyed, not acquiring more firearms. I began consolidating and downsizing so I could economize on stocking components and enjoy more shooting and hunting more.

New rifles were never fun for me because invariably I found someone wrong with them and began a quest to "improve" them which of course required the expenditure of more money, more time screwing around with them, etc. instead being at the range or hunting. PS: I hate load development - I hate shooting off a bench. I love hunting, I love practicing with my shooting sticks simulating practical field shooting situations.

Just to clarify - when I say I love hunting - its being in the field and woods that I love. Sure I want be successful but I've learned to enjoy the solitude and serenity of the outdoors. For me, hunting ground hogs in the summer is the ultimate enjoyable experience even if I get only one quality shot or no shots at all.

So, I've reach firearms "serenity" :) I have what I need, got them mechanically where I want them so now I can just shoot and hunt. But as if the "Firearms Gods" are punishing me, now there is this component shortage BS. It follows, I finally get it all figured out but its too late!
 
Years ago I sold a Roooger 77/22H that simply shot 9 inch groups no matter what I did. I felt a little bad for years about it. Then one day I got a call from the guy who bought it. He had some issue with a pistol he sold and couldn't recall who he sold it to. Thought it was me. When I said no, he asked if I was the person he bought the 22 Hornet from...gulp...uh...ya i said. He waxed on and on about how he loved it, and it is the best rifle he ever shot, he shoots it all the time, loves it loves it loves it...

I no longer feel bad.
It could be luck. I have a 22 ruger single six with a cheap scope on it I traded for a couple cords of firewood back in the early 80’s that shoots really good but it has incredible luck to the point where one of my brothers friends tried to copy with brand new but no luck and I’ve even been offered $1000 for it!! Lol, not for sale !! Ha ha
 
I always go for the ugly duckling ( well all except my beautiful bride ) weather it be cars or guns . Sometimes Ive been known to make a gun or car ugly , just to piss some shiny gun or car owner off . Ive gotten more $ showing up for a race with a hand brush painted car , no chrome , all motor. Shiny chrome cars have money spent in the wrong places if racing
Same goes true with guns to an extent . Ive learned more trying to gat a gun to shoot that doesnt . After all when youve got a hummer you don’t usually mess with it , in fact you try to prolong its capabilities even if voodoo is called for .
 
My Dad was a well respected engineer and pretty well off. He could have purchased some nice rifles and, every once in a while, he would. Mostly, though, he bought crap. He would go to a gun show, walk up to a table full of nice rifles, and walk away with the Savage 340. He could start out with a nice Model 70 and, in three trades, be the proud owner of a nearly functional Stevens .22. Sadly, I now realize this tendency is genetic. I have a whole bunch of $500 rifles, into which I have invested a couple grand. Sometimes they work just fine, but no one with any pride would want to be seen with them. I have rifles which have no redeeming qualities other than just being fun for me to shoot or carry.
My Dad passed away a couple of years back and I ended up with a bunch of his rifles. One Savage MKII .22 HB is the worst shooting 22 I have ever tried. I'm stuck with that one. Virtually every one of his rifles is a potential money pit and I've been sucked right in. So far, I have re-barreled four and made stocks for three. I never wanted a Schmidt-Rubin, but I have one now. Anyone have any ideas for what I can do with a 6.5 Arisaka? WH
 
I too have been accused of preferring quantity over quality. It's true. I have bought many guns just because they were cool to my eye and I wanted to shoot them. Usually worth the price in my mind and when I've had my fun I'll usually turn them over and move on. Like K22 I've been forcing myself to shoot more and cut down the collection to the ones I really enjoy. I like to think that I have arrived at an equilibrium in that regard. Then I remember that I've bought 4 rifles in the under 1000 USD range over the last 4 months ranging from .22 to 300 WSM. Two of them need sighting in and two of them need load development. I guess I'm a work in progress on the equilibrium front...

To snert's point about feeling bad for selling a turd. I had a Remington 243 that had 5 percent contact on one lug. I worked on that gun for 6 months. Replaced the stock, bedded it, lapped the lugs and barrel, new trigger, better scope, lots of load development and a lot of time. I failed to get it to shoot so I traded it at the LGS. When I traded it I'd put one of those cheap red boyd's stocks on it. You could not miss it. A friend of mine saw it show up at the range one day with a fresh new Simmons scope on it. The guy was raving about how well it shot. Glad he liked it. :)
 
The thing about selling a klunker is to be honest about it. Not telling the buyer about what you know about the rifles bad traits, is in my opinion dishonest. Many folks who buy a used rifle do so because they need it but can't afford something new. They rely on the sellers honesty.
I'm on the receiving end of this now. Some support items were lost in the mail but they never wanted to help with usps reimbursement and packages were logged as damaged. The gun is down right dangerous. Just gonna grin, bare it, and carry on.
 
Anyone have any ideas for what I can do with a 6.5 Arisaka? WH

Set up your own mythbusters experiment: see if the old American Rifleman legend is true. Rechamber it to .30-06, leave the bore 6.5mm, and see if it really survives.


Bullet 'Forming'

Many .30-'06 cartridges fire in rechambered but not rebored Jap 6.5 mm military rifle

Recently Enique Mahnke, a gunsmith of Cobb, Calif., set in 3 empty .30-'06 cases, one with the primer smashed very flat, and the other 2 with the primers missing and the primer pockets slightly expanded. Accompanying them was the following letter:

"Recently a man brought a Jap rifle to me and wanted me to fix it so it would not kick so much. He had been using regular .30-'06 hunting cartridges in the rifle which he said was a Jap 7.7 mm. (cal. .303) that he had rechambered himself.

"A glance at the rifle showed me that it was a 6.5 mm.(.256) and I told him he must have brought in the wrong rifle, as a .256 could not be rechambered to .30-'06 because the pilot on the reamer would not enter the barrel. He said that he had had that trouble, but had cured it by grinding down the pilot of the reamer until it would go in.

"After the rechambering was finished, he had tested out the rifle by firing 2 shots, holding the rifle in one hand on the far side of a tree, and it had almost kicked out of his hand. He then fired a few shots at a target, and went hunting with it and killed a deer, but the gun kicked so badly that he decided to bring it and have me fix it.

"I would never have believed cal. .30 bullets could be fired through a cal. .256 bore without bursting the gun, but here are the gun and empty cartridge cases to prove it.

"I am sending the rifle along to you for any tests you might care to make. If you blow the gun up, it is all right with me as it is no good the way it is. I just thought you might be interested."

This is a bit startling, in spite of the fact that the cal. 6.5 mm. Jap is an exceptionally strong rifle. It is made of extra tough material, and moreover the head of the case is unusually well enclosed, which makes for additional strength. However, few would expect it to stand the treatment described.

To find out just what a cal. .30 bullet would look like after being squeezed down by being fired through a bore only a bit over 2/3 its normal cross-sectional area, we fired a Service .30-'06 with a 172-gr. boattail bullet, a 180-gr. Remington soft-point Core-lokt, and a Remington 220-gr. Mushroom Core-lokt into a recovery box which is filled with oiled sawdust. The results are shown in the cut [photo] below.

With the 172-gr. .30 M1, the bolt handle was hard to lift, but the case extracted satisfactorily, and except for the extremely flat primer it looked normal. On the 180-gr. and the 220-gr. hunting loads, the bolt open easily, but the cartridge cases failed to extract and had to be knocked out with a ramrod.

After the test the measured headspace on this rifle was found to be 1.945", which is within tolerance for a new .30-'06. After all the beating that this rilfe had received, it remained intact, with no cracks or other damage visible.

The owner of this rifle was lucky enough to get away with a very foolish stunt without being injured. Ore firing tests were done by remote control, with recautions against injury should the rifle explode --NRA TECH STAFF
 
I'm a sucker for older wood / blued steel rifles that someone just traded in.
Also have a 24 hr thing with any new purchase to get to the range to try it out. Usually within hrs.
Spent the next couple days tweeking the load, call it good and move on to the next one.....lol
 
My bad habit is I can’t pass up a “good deal”. I fall for it every time. Especially if there’s a decent piece of glass on it that doesn’t inflate the price. Some have turned out to be exceptional additions to the collection, others didn’t work for me so away they went.
 

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