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Back Ordered Ford

What is going to happen when ford floods the market with half a million or more 2yr old brand new trucks?
Dusty, 40K vehicles are about 10% of our total Super Duty production each year between Kentucky Truck Plant and Michigan Assembly. This has been an ongoing issue since just before the gift bestowed upon us by the Wuhan Boogie. The aftermath of the “free-free-free for all” by the current (insert favorite expletive here) resident of the WH has profoundly negatively affected all aspects of manufacturing. Automotive industry worldwide is suffering from shortages of supplies from second and third tier vendors who can’t sustain “just in time” deliveries of key/critical components. Worker attitudes have changed as well; there is a virtual revolving door for new employees and temps being hired only to see them exit in a matter of weeks (or less) due to the long hours, grueling/repetitious jobs, and of course the heat in our Plant. If a concert, State Fair, or other popular event is taking place, we can count on 500-750 AWOLs per shift, and not just the younger people. This phenomenon is not unique to auto manufacturing,
The fact that almost every company is hiring makes it easy for qualified workers to bounce around until they find a good fit for their needs and tolerance.
I certainly don’t have the answers, and my third retirement is in on the horizon; I’m reaching my own limits in how much I can tolerate.
GotRDid.
 
I'm constantly waiting on Ford's...
To move out of the passing lane cuz I got places to go and people to see.
Ford owners really need to keep to to the right lane so guys driving real metal can get down the road.
That sounds like a challenge Brett.
I have a few Bourbon soaked Cigars that says you are blowing smoke!
 
My buddy has a 22' F-350 4x4 crew cab, non-dually with the 7.3 Godzilla & he isn't getting 12 mpg around town. More like 8-9, but we do live in a very hilly region.
Well, either he has a heavy foot or lets it idle alot. Doesn't matter as we didn't buy them these for the gas mileage anyway.
 
Yes but I think Ford is being a pain in the butt to dealers right now.
Ford is not happy with some “Dealers” due to their behaviors like selling high demand vehicles at a premium out from under the actual people who have ordered them.
The recently released full sized Broncos are an example; some unscrupulous dealers have sold a preordered vehicle to essentially the highest bidder once it hits the lot. Likewise, other dealers will not honor the A-Plan, X-Plan , or Z-Plan pricing for eligible Ford Employees, Friends & Family, or Ford Retirees.
Ford may likely expand the on-line ordering process where you build your vehicle to your specs, and will come with a locked in price quote. Dealers will still get a stipend for taking delivery, prep, customer tutorial on vehicle operation/on-board programming, fueling for the customer, and potential up-selling for Dealer installed options, but the digital age will ultimately change the way we purchase vehicles as well.
Mega Dealer lots with enormous overhead in showrooms may soon be a memory.
The customer will be the primary beneficiary due to this paradigm shift with secondary benefit of a greater percentage of profits retained within the Manufacturer’s bottom line.
 
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About 2 months ago, my youngest daughter got t-boned totalling her car. She needs a replacement. We go to local dealer to look at a nice low mileage offering they had on the lot. Needless to say we did our homework and knew bluebook values and such. To make a long story short, after me letting the salesman get his daily exercise running back and forth to his boss with dumbass offers, we finally settled on a price.
Now. They won't let you use off premises financing(damn near a deal breaker for me) so hear we go with a whole new exercise in stupidity. First round of papers weren't jiving on her payments. I'm trying to decipher this crap and I finally see they are hitting us w 10.5% financing. I told the youngster, run back to your boss and bring my a copy of the credit report you ran on me please sir. He has that deer in the head light look but does as he's told. As I expected it was a little over 800. I look him in the eye , hand him the credit report back as well as the paperwork they brought for me to sign and told him, I'm sure this was an honest mistake. Tell your folks to fix it or I'm gone.
Round 2 financing. They bring this all back and had a huge paper flag pointing at new interest rate. I think it was around 3% or so. Uh huh. Well, payment still doesn't jive. So....I dig in again reading this crap. Wow. Here's a line item for $1800.00 that wasn't there before. What might this be young man? Oh. Well that's an on board GPS system they put on that model of car now. I stood up and shook his hand and said thanks for his effort and start out. My poor daughter is loosing her chit because she doesn't understand anything except daddy blew a gasket and we are leaving. The young man is wigging out over his lost sale and trying to justify "having" to charge for the GPS. I stop walking and firmly asked : That car has four tires and wheels. Is there going to be a line item charge for them also. Yall named the damn price. Honor it or keep it. Showroom got real quiet. (Well maybe I was a little too loud).
Did you know when they try, they can draw papers up and have you on the way in about 10 minutes? I guess they were tired of my company. Oh...and we got all the pricing, interest and such corrected. And they threw in GPS!
I'm spoiled. I call my Ford guy. Tell him what I want. He calls me when it's in and usually delivers. Their store is 60 miles away no less. He told me he stays oversold. Selling philosophy...walkins buy at sticker price w no other markups. They can't keep up. Fleet guys like me, they rub their crystal ball and always give us exceptional price.
Car buying is a strange world. Leave your moral compass at the door when you go to work I guess. That's what will be the demise of dealerships as we know them.
Sorry for being long winded.
 
About 2 months ago, my youngest daughter got t-boned totalling her car. She needs a replacement. We go to local dealer to look at a nice low mileage offering they had on the lot. Needless to say we did our homework and knew bluebook values and such. To make a long story short, after me letting the salesman get his daily exercise running back and forth to his boss with dumbass offers, we finally settled on a price.
Now. They won't let you use off premises financing(damn near a deal breaker for me) so hear we go with a whole new exercise in stupidity. First round of papers weren't jiving on her payments. I'm trying to decipher this crap and I finally see they are hitting us w 10.5% financing. I told the youngster, run back to your boss and bring my a copy of the credit report you ran on me please sir. He has that deer in the head light look but does as he's told. As I expected it was a little over 800. I look him in the eye , hand him the credit report back as well as the paperwork they brought for me to sign and told him, I'm sure this was an honest mistake. Tell your folks to fix it or I'm gone.
Round 2 financing. They bring this all back and had a huge paper flag pointing at new interest rate. I think it was around 3% or so. Uh huh. Well, payment still doesn't jive. So....I dig in again reading this crap. Wow. Here's a line item for $1800.00 that wasn't there before. What might this be young man? Oh. Well that's an on board GPS system they put on that model of car now. I stood up and shook his hand and said thanks for his effort and start out. My poor daughter is loosing her chit because she doesn't understand anything except daddy blew a gasket and we are leaving. The young man is wigging out over his lost sale and trying to justify "having" to charge for the GPS. I stop walking and firmly asked : That car has four tires and wheels. Is there going to be a line item charge for them also. Yall named the damn price. Honor it or keep it. Showroom got real quiet. (Well maybe I was a little too loud).
Did you know when they try, they can draw papers up and have you on the way in about 10 minutes? I guess they were tired of my company. Oh...and we got all the pricing, interest and such corrected. And they threw in GPS!
I'm spoiled. I call my Ford guy. Tell him what I want. He calls me when it's in and usually delivers. Their store is 60 miles away no less. He told me he stays oversold. Selling philosophy...walkins buy at sticker price w no other markups. They can't keep up. Fleet guys like me, they rub their crystal ball and always give us exceptional price.
Car buying is a strange world. Leave your moral compass at the door when you go to work I guess. That's what will be the demise of dealerships as we know them.
Sorry for being long winded.
SOP at 99.99% of dealers. One of my buds is a finance guy at a local dealer. He's passed 100k in salary, years ago. The worst thing you can tell a car salesman is the monthly payment you can afford.
 
That sounds like a challenge Brett.
I have a few Bourbon soaked Cigars that says you are blowing smoke!
William, I'm working for the local Ford dealer here in town.
While I think the trucks are kinda tough looking, when it comes to doing bodywork on 1 it gets kind of expensive.
The aluminum panels aren't conducive to repair, it comes down to replacement of panels.
Door seals.... Who was the bright mined engineer that decided that the weatherstripping need double sided sticky tape along with the standard push in clips to hold them in place, I've started writing my estimates for replacing as they are not reusable.
This is just a couple examples of the expense to repair.
I often wonder how many cases of recycled beer cans go into making 1 Ford truck.
As for sales..
I heard the other day we're allocated 9, yup 9 new pickups this year mostly due to pre-orders.
So if the dealership isn't physically selling the vehicle how are they going to survive?
That sounds like a challenge Brett.
I have a few Bourbon soaked Cigars that says you are blowing smoke!
I smoke Fords daily!!
Repeat after me...
F= freakin
O= Okies
R= Really
D= Dig'm
Also Fear Of Racing Dodge's
Not to be singling out Ford, remember lil boys wear bow ties, while big boys RAM it.
 
Brett, you are correct! We also want to strangle the “Eng-a-neers” that create worse problems trying to “error-proof” our assembly process. A long time Friend and shooting buddy is a repairman on the Final Audit Deck to repair or quarantine major TGW (Things Gone Wrong) before the body is joined with the chassis. He shares your frustration.
I can’t even comment on the aluminum, but know that the DMR (Damaged Metal Repair) shop is now a highly trained/skilled Team.
Not sure about the sprung-weight savings between steel and aluminum bodies; may enquire. I know by watching the new hires place subassemblies on the fixtures in the Body Shop for the robots that join them into near finished cabs/beds that the components are significantly lighter.
 
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Yes,
all over Louisville. You will see a warehouse parking lot fenced off with pack with Fords from both assembly plants.
Tim
They're all doing it, I know where there are fields full of Dodge and Chevy/GMC trucks. My nephew works at the Chevrolet/GMC truck assembly plant. He said that the company is taking parts of the parked vehicles to put on new production vehicles so that they can drive them to the storage yards. He also said that many of these new trucks are being crushed because that have sat so long that the interiors and wiring have been destroyed by vermin (rats, mice, squirrels, racoons, etc.).
 
William, I'm working for the local Ford dealer here in town.
While I think the trucks are kinda tough looking, when it comes to doing bodywork on 1 it gets kind of expensive.
The aluminum panels aren't conducive to repair, it comes down to replacement of panels.
Door seals.... Who was the bright mined engineer that decided that the weatherstripping need double sided sticky tape along with the standard push in clips to hold them in place, I've started writing my estimates for replacing as they are not reusable.
This is just a couple examples of the expense to repair.
I often wonder how many cases of recycled beer cans go into making 1 Ford truck.
As for sales..
I heard the other day we're allocated 9, yup 9 new pickups this year mostly due to pre-orders.
So if the dealership isn't physically selling the vehicle how are they going to survive?

I smoke Fords daily!!
Repeat after me...
F= freakin
O= Okies
R= Really
D= Dig'm
Also Fear Of Racing Dodge's
Not to be singling out Ford, remember lil boys wear bow ties, while big boys RAM it.
F- Found
O- On
R- Road
D- Dead

I have had them all except for a Jeep, even had an 800 series International Scout.
:)
Tim
 
About 2 months ago, my youngest daughter got t-boned totalling her car. She needs a replacement. We go to local dealer to look at a nice low mileage offering they had on the lot. Needless to say we did our homework and knew bluebook values and such. To make a long story short, after me letting the salesman get his daily exercise running back and forth to his boss with dumbass offers, we finally settled on a price.
Now. They won't let you use off premises financing(damn near a deal breaker for me) so hear we go with a whole new exercise in stupidity. First round of papers weren't jiving on her payments. I'm trying to decipher this crap and I finally see they are hitting us w 10.5% financing. I told the youngster, run back to your boss and bring my a copy of the credit report you ran on me please sir. He has that deer in the head light look but does as he's told. As I expected it was a little over 800. I look him in the eye , hand him the credit report back as well as the paperwork they brought for me to sign and told him, I'm sure this was an honest mistake. Tell your folks to fix it or I'm gone.
Round 2 financing. They bring this all back and had a huge paper flag pointing at new interest rate. I think it was around 3% or so. Uh huh. Well, payment still doesn't jive. So....I dig in again reading this crap. Wow. Here's a line item for $1800.00 that wasn't there before. What might this be young man? Oh. Well that's an on board GPS system they put on that model of car now. I stood up and shook his hand and said thanks for his effort and start out. My poor daughter is loosing her chit because she doesn't understand anything except daddy blew a gasket and we are leaving. The young man is wigging out over his lost sale and trying to justify "having" to charge for the GPS. I stop walking and firmly asked : That car has four tires and wheels. Is there going to be a line item charge for them also. Yall named the damn price. Honor it or keep it. Showroom got real quiet. (Well maybe I was a little too loud).
Did you know when they try, they can draw papers up and have you on the way in about 10 minutes? I guess they were tired of my company. Oh...and we got all the pricing, interest and such corrected. And they threw in GPS!
I'm spoiled. I call my Ford guy. Tell him what I want. He calls me when it's in and usually delivers. Their store is 60 miles away no less. He told me he stays oversold. Selling philosophy...walkins buy at sticker price w no other markups. They can't keep up. Fleet guys like me, they rub their crystal ball and always give us exceptional price.
Car buying is a strange world. Leave your moral compass at the door when you go to work I guess. That's what will be the demise of dealerships as we know them.
Sorry for being long winded.
Sounds like you really know how to deal with the “Stealerships”!
 
Could not afford a new truck 2 yrs ago after my 02GMC Envoy got creamed. Found a 2007 Ford Ranger locally with 70k on it. Definitely NOT a desirable truck by today's standard. lts a 3L V6 5sp extended cab with A/C!! Not a bad ride. lts been to NM prairie doggen. I get the ''Wanna Sell lt?'' all too frequently. ''NOOOOOO!'' is my reply.. Just for you OHV V8 guys. They are still KING in my book. Ford's Godzilla 7.3V8 is a cast iron OHV 60deg V8 like my 'new to me 07' 3L cast iron OHV V6. ln fact Ford is working on a NEW 6.2L OHV V8 in cast iron too. Down sized Godzilla for better mileage l hear. lt too will be a CHEVY EATER
 

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