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I would like to agree with your proposal and admire your optimism BUT I have to live in REALITY. Whether you or I or anyone else likes it, we live in a 2 party system at the moment and the media proves it. Would I or many others like to see other viable choices??? Absolutely! But the SYSTEM IS WHAT IT IS.....NOT what I would wish it to be. Perhaps therein lies the problem.....Some of us live in reality, others live in fantasy....I would like to live there too but it doesn't work for me. Thanks for your honest reply.
Think about this: If enough people would pencil-in their choice, neither of the two on the menu would be elected. That is, in fact, part of our system. A part of reality that many overlook, or simply aren't aware of.
 
Think about this: If enough people would pencil-in their choice, neither of the two on the menu would be elected. That is, in fact, part of our system. A part of reality that many overlook, or simply aren't aware of.

I agree with your idea, and the problem is awareness, but how without ANY control of the MSM, that is totally owned by the 2 party system do you propose to enlighten the masses, especially the ones coming into the country by the mega thousands that can't even yet understand the language (and are promised all kinds of freebies...not realizing there is NO Santa Claus), let alone those that have never been taught or heard of the Constitution in our school system (by design)?? You, I think, have made our argument in that what we are up against is the status quo (Hillary) vs. a change by electing, at least on the surface, an outsider (Donald). Could it be that we really all want the same thing??
 
Think about this: If enough people would pencil-in their choice, neither of the two on the menu would be elected. That is, in fact, part of our system. A part of reality that many overlook, or simply aren't aware of.

And if neither gets sufficient Electorial votes, the President and Vice President will be chosen by the Senate (per the 12th Amendment) and then all bets are off. Wouldn't that add just another level of foolishness to this already CIRCUS???????????

Alex
 
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You know Trump is a very successful business man. He know what needs done to turn the national debt around and what need done to put this country back on track..That is the real issue facing us. He is the MAN for the job..unfortunately the political elitist will never allow it to happen..It actually was tried once before and failed.
My boss is a mex/American. super guy..they are banded together nation wide to vote for Hilleary because they fear Trump..I try to tell them he is the right choice but they will not hear it..I also have went to my family and said anyone not registered to vote has to get registered now and get ready to vote for Trump..and I get ah yea well see..really the others have every man.woman and child registered and ready..I have tried and it seems it falls on deaf ears...I talked to another guy at work he is not registered and said I don't even follow it...OMG! we will get what we deserve if we don't get it and everyone we know together get them registered and get them to vote..I was laughing at work today just out of the blue it hit me we have had a president for eight years that no one I know voted for..named OBAMA a President named OBAMA I just lost it LMAO! what a joke..I might have voted for danny glover but a Obama what's that..
 
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Hilleary already stated she will ex order the assault weapons ban back in..she would go right at the supreme court to get it....So yea she gets in she will push to get are guns for sure...plus she will do nothing for the nat debt. or jobs ..she is a elitist...I have to quit now..my blood is boiling..
 
Hilleary already stated she will ex order the assault weapons ban back in..she would go right at the supreme court to get it....So yea she gets in she will push to get are guns for sure...plus she will do nothing for the nat debt. or jobs ..she is a elitist...I have to quit now..my blood is boiling..

I hate to burst your bubble brother, or get your trousers in a bundle.
But our votes don't count for shit....they are merely a popularity vote at best.
The Electoral College decides who gets in the WH...or better yet ,the elitist decide.meaning big money.
Not unless their is going to be another Rev.I can guaranty that they are ready for that.
The NWO works while we sleep.


Democracy is deminished,and it has been so since the early 60s.thanks to LBJ


The man in the pale white horse came thru already (Obamer) and hell follows him (Hillary)
 
I hate to burst your bubble brother, or get your trousers in a bundle.
But our votes don't count for shit....they are merely a popularity vote at best.
The Electoral College decides who gets in the WH...or better yet ,the elitist decide.meaning big money.
Not unless their is going to be another Rev.I can guaranty that they are ready for that.
The NWO works while we sleep.


Democracy is deminished,and it has been so since the early 60s.thanks to LBJ


The man in the pale white horse came thru already (Obamer) and hell follows him (Hillary)


"I care not how the people vote, I care who COUNTS the votes"

Joseph Stalin
 
Think about this: If enough people would pencil-in their choice, neither of the two on the menu would be elected. That is, in fact, part of our system. A part of reality that many overlook, or simply aren't aware of.
This would be a vote for Hillary, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING???
 
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I remember watching Fox News election night 2012. The Fox News comintators desperately trying the make the case for a possible electoral path for a Romney victory at the same time a ribbon was being flashed across the bottom of the screen declaring Obama the winner. Ray
 
I remember watching Fox News election night 2012. The Fox News comintators desperately trying the make the case for a possible electoral path for a Romney victory at the same time a ribbon was being flashed across the bottom of the screen declaring Obama the winner. Ray


Which proves???????????????????????????????????
 
I thought it was self explanatory...since you insist..There is the Trump fact free, imaginary, alternate universe vs the real world. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain." Ray

Please enlighten this poor dumb voter about the "facts" of your candidate.
 
I am sorry I hurt your feelings..I apologize...Ray

No, you didn't hurt my feelings at all. I am just interested in keeping an open mind and would like to hear other points of view. You seem to be very dedicated to your candidate and I assume it must be for some very good reasons. I'm simply asking that you would please present your specific reasons for being so in favor your candidate whoever that happens to be. Thanks in advance for your honesty.
 
No, you didn't hurt my feelings at all. I am just interested in keeping an open mind and would like to hear other points of view. You seem to be very dedicated to your candidate and I assume it must be for some very good reasons. I'm simply asking that you would please present your specific reasons for being so in favor your candidate whoever that happens to be. Thanks in advance for your honesty.
Absolute truth on my position. I was in support of first Jeb Bush and then John Kasich. Yes the moderate wing of the part. Here are some of my thoughts I have put together on why I could never support Trump.
Trump tools; racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, demagoguery.
In other words anti black or brown or anti anyone other than white, anti-women unless they know their place, then the women are cherished, anti-immigrants with special attention to Mexicans, Muslims and any and all people of color. Anti-gay rights to also include denial of transgender rights. Use fear to convince your supporters you are the only one that can save them. People of color, immigrants, gays and women have been "screwing over" the working white guy by taking his jobs and holding him accountable for his actions and words, i.e. political correctness. Make America great again is merely code for putting minorities and protected groups including women back in their place.
Trump would become the strong man and protector, we have had a few throughout history. Trump has adapted their playbook and it seems to be working.
The founding fathers of this country spent years hammering out our present system of Constitutional government to guard against the likes of a would be dictator such as Donald Trump. Even if elected Trump will quickly learn about the separation of powers, the realities of the Executive branch of government not being able to override the Judicial and Legislative branches.
If you are hoping for a multibillion dollar wall on our southern border it is not going to happen without appropriation of funds from the House of Representatives and approval by the Senate before it goes to the President. And by the way Trump cannot unilaterally impose tariffs on Mexico to make them pay for the wall. Tariffs are set by the House of Representatives and approved by the Senate before it gets to the President.
If you are hoping for mass deportations, it is not going to happen without due process for each and every individual to be deported. The funds for such a massive and expensive endeavor would again have to be appropriated by the House of Representatives and approved by the Senate before it gets to the President.
If you are hoping for a ban on all Muslims entering the country Trump had already backed off on that one limiting the ban to apply to Syrian refuges only to which Trump has claimed tens of thousands are pouring in to the US without being vetted. So far the actual number is roughly 1700 refugees all of who have gone through a thorough vetting process. Now Trump is saying the ban on Muslims was "just a suggestion."
The next faze of broken promises has to do with Donald Trump self funding his campaign. The truth is the funding has come from a 36 million dollar loan from Trump to his campaign. According to sources close to Trump he may or not pay himself back for the campaign loan. Trump has until August to decide. In reality he has "interim" finance his campaign.
How about Trumps tax returns. First the releasing of his tax returns were being delayed due to being audited. Now he is saying he may or may not release his tax returns by the election.
One deception after another. If that blue collar Trump supporter thinks he was deceived by the elite wing of the Republican Party, which he has definitely been deceived, he ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to Trump.
The only consistently with Trump is his inconsistency. Anything and everything thing he says or does is subject to change at any time for any reason.
Because of my strong feelings against Trump I must support every effort to defeat Trump. I am going to vote for Hillary Clinton, a seriously flawed candidate who would easily be defeated by Bush or Kasich. I am locked into my position and not subject to changing my mind.
It is not over til it is over. Trump is the quarterback of a movement that is down by 34 points in the fourth quarter and continues to throw interceptions. Respectfully, Ray
 
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If enough people would pencil-in their choice, neither of the two on the menu would be elected.

They (the voters) don't think that far ahead. Their thought are "I'll leave things the way they are, don't want to rock the boat". Or, they just don't care!!:rolleyes:
 
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Thanks Ray for
Absolute truth on my position. I was in support of first Jeb Bush and then John Kasich. Yes the moderate wing of the part. Here are some of my thoughts I have put together on why I could never support Trump.
Trump tools; racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, demagoguery.
In other words anti black or brown or anti anyone other than white, anti-women unless they know their place, then the women are cherished, anti-immigrants with special attention to Mexicans, Muslims and any and all people of color. Anti-gay rights to also include denial of transgender rights. Use fear to convince your supporters you are the only one that can save them. People of color, immigrants, gays and women have been "screwing over" the working white guy by taking his jobs and holding him accountable for his actions and words, i.e. political correctness. Make America great again is merely code for putting minorities and protected groups including women back in their place.
Trump would become the strong man and protector, we have had a few throughout history. Trump has adapted their playbook and it seems to be working.
The founding fathers of this country spent years hammering out our present system of Constitutional government to guard against the likes of a would be dictator such as Donald Trump. Even if elected Trump will quickly learn about the separation of powers, the realities of the Executive branch of government not being able to override the Judicial and Legislative branches.
If you are hoping for a multibillion dollar wall on our southern border it is not going to happen without appropriation of funds from the House of Representatives and approval by the Senate before it goes to the President. And by the way Trump cannot unilaterally impose tariffs on Mexico to make them pay for the wall. Tariffs are set by the House of Representatives and approved by the Senate before it gets to the President.
If you are hoping for mass deportations, it is not going to happen without due process for each and every individual to be deported. The funds for such a massive and expensive endeavor would again have to be appropriated by the House of Representatives and approved by the Senate before it gets to the President.
If you are hoping for a ban on all Muslims entering the country Trump had already backed off on that one limiting the ban to apply to Syrian refuges only to which Trump has claimed tens of thousands are pouring in to the US without being vetted. So far the actual number is roughly 1700 refugees all of who have gone through a thorough vetting process. Now Trump is saying the ban on Muslims was "just a suggestion."
The next faze of broken promises has to do with Donald Trump self funding his campaign. The truth is the funding has come from a 36 million dollar loan from Trump to his campaign. According to sources close to Trump he may or not pay himself back for the campaign loan. Trump has until August to decide. In reality he has "interim" finance his campaign.
How about Trumps tax returns. First the releasing of his tax returns were being delayed due to being audited. Now he is saying he may or may not release his tax returns by the election.
One deception after another. If that blue collar Trump supporter thinks he was deceived by the elite wing of the Republican Party, which he has definitely been deceived, he ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to Trump.
The only consistently with Trump is his inconsistency. Anything and everything thing he says or does is subject to change at any time for any reason.
Because of my strong feelings against Trump I must support every effort to defeat Trump. I am going to vote for Hillary Clinton, a seriously flawed candidate who would easily be defeated by Bush or Kasich. I am locked into my position and not subject to changing my mind.
It is not over til it is over. Trump is the quarterback of a movement that is down by 34 points in the fourth quarter and continues to throw interceptions. Respectfully, Ray

Thanks Ray for your honest reply. There is quite a bit there for me to digest so please give me a while but I sure sense your underlying feelings of frustration and frankly anger against what you perceive as unjust.
I have to ask since you are going to support Hillary instead of Trump if you've done much investigation into her character and history and most of all, do you sincerely believe she will uphold, protect and defend the Constitution of the U.S. to the best of her ability better than Trump? Maybe here we can discuss some of these items rationally instead of having a back and forth mud slinging contest that gets no one anywhere.
This wonderful website is primarily concerned about the second amendment of the Bill of Rights and most here feel it is of vital importance to this country. Does the second amendment mean much to you or do you think it much less important to this country's freedom going forward than some other issues? In other words, what do you see as the most important issue of your list?

Thanks again
 

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