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[LHSmith]

Anyone remember this? Will the real Donald Trump please stand up!View attachment 987020

Prime example of propaganda sewage put out by the very people who brought us the last 8 years of misery. Remember the demo credo "sharing misery equally together". This quote, or anything remotely like it, NEVER happened.
For those who use the "ignore" feature, a "certain" member posted a lie (apparently without any qualms). This post was to serve up the truth.
Guys, do the fact checking yourself. Don't let others do your thinking.

 

[JRS]

Prime example of propaganda sewage put out by the very people who brought us the last 8 years of misery. Remember the demo credo "sharing misery equally together". This quote, or anything remotely like it, NEVER happened.
Guys, do the fact checking yourself. Don't let others do your thinking.

Neither did this:

 

[hogpatrol]

A bedtime story, well, maybe not at bedtime. An analogy of sorts. Hog

Winston Moneybags rolls in to The Original 1000 Yard Benchrest Club outside of Williamsport to shoot the World Open. Nice NASCAR type rig behind his specially imported Mercedes tractor, heat and air conditioning, twenty foot long loading benches with all the latest and greatest. He's made a name for himself in the sporting goods industry, having been the popular CEO of Remagechester Manufacturing for almost his entire working life. The board of directors like him. The shareholders like him. His employees like him. His customers like him. He's got multiples of the best that money can buy, light and heavy rifles built by the same smith that built the world record holders, custom European purpose built scopes, designed for him front and rear rests, custom bullets, hundreds of pounds of same lot powder, the best brass and all of it sorted by "experts". He employs a full time ballistician with access to actual on site real time weather for calculating ballistic charts. He has an entourage he brings with him to cheer him on, mostly family, friends and employees who believe he can do anything once he puts his mind to it. All this to fulfill his dream of whipping up on the best and show that even though his experience level isn't up to par, that with the right equipment and backing, he CAN beat the best and be a winner in a new arena.

His main opponent, a grizzled, haggard old veteran of the 1000 yard wars looks at him and chuckles. He's been at this game since he got out of the service. His wife has been in the same game for just as long. In fact, they met while both were serving and have been shooting 1000 yards whenever and wherever the opportunity presented itself, going on forty some odd years now, even back in to when they were in the military. They look at his trailer, his coaches and advisers, his rifle and rests, watch as his "experts" carefully make up his ammo ensuring that no detail is ignored, and confidently smile. They know all they have to do is wait until this "shooter" gets behind that bench with the flags straight out at one distance, flopped in the middle and straight out the opposite way further downrange. He'll not only get an education, he'll be humbled in the process. They walk away contemplating and relishing the future.

 

[LHSmith]

Here are some of my thoughts I have put together on why I could never support Trump.
Trump tools; racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, demagoguery.
>>>>>B.S. this is MSM defining how they want you to perceive Trump. This all has root in his proposal to simply put on hold Muslim immigration...a common sense approach to problems that are reaching critical mass.<<<<<
Trump would become the strong man and protector, we have had a few throughout history. Trump has adapted their playbook and it seems to be working.
>>>>>After the current POTUS, we need a strong man and protector. Our current POTUS is a laughing stock in the eyes of the rest of the world.<<<<<
The founding fathers of this country spent years hammering out our present system of Constitutional government to guard against the likes of a would be dictator such as Donald Trump. Even if elected Trump will quickly learn about the separation of powers, the realities of the Executive branch of government not being able to override the Judicial and Legislative branches.
>>>>>Nothing, NOTHING Trump has said would take any rational thinking person to your conclusion.<<<<<
If you are hoping for a multibillion dollar wall on our southern border it is not going to happen without appropriation of funds from the House of Representatives and approval by the Senate before it goes to the President. And by the way Trump cannot unilaterally impose tariffs on Mexico to make them pay for the wall. Tariffs are set by the House of Representatives and approved by the Senate before it gets to the President.
>>>>>Trump simply is stating his goals. We are virtually bankrupt, we cannot be all things to all people anymore. No one else running this erection cycle had the gonads to say "this has to stop"!<<<<<
If you are hoping for mass deportations, it is not going to happen without due process for each and every individual to be deported. The funds for such a massive and expensive endeavor would again have to be appropriated by the House of Representatives and approved by the Senate before it gets to the President.
>>>>>Again, he's stating his goals.....you have to take a stance based on your moral compass and what's best for the nation and eventually meet somewhere in the middle with your opposition. I applaud Trump for giving those of us, who ultimately want ONLY legal immigration to prevail, a voice over the PC racist bullcrap. To do nothing is not an option anymore.<<<<<
If you are hoping for a ban on all Muslims entering the country Trump had already backed off on that one limiting the ban to apply to Syrian refuges only to which Trump has claimed tens of thousands are pouring in to the US without being vetted. So far the actual number is roughly 1700 refugees all of who have gone through a thorough vetting process. Now Trump is saying the ban on Muslims was "just a suggestion."
>>>>>Seriously, how do you vet people from 3rd world countries whose infrastructure has been ravaged from years of conflict, ruled by dictators who have control of documents.....this is a total farce.<<<<<
The next faze of broken promises has to do with Donald Trump self funding his campaign. The truth is the funding has come from a 36 million dollar loan from Trump to his campaign. According to sources close to Trump he may or not pay himself back for the campaign loan. Trump has until August to decide. In reality he has "interim" finance his campaign.
>>>>>What else would you expect from a self made man? Contrast that will Hillary ,who was "broke" when she left the Whitehouse, and made millions giving speeches (of which there is no record of their substance) to corporations and adversary countries.<<<<<
How about Trumps tax returns. First the releasing of his tax returns were being delayed due to being audited. Now he is saying he may or may not release his tax returns by the election.
>>>>>????He IS being audited.....I'd guarantee he is audited every year. What do you want to see? Obviously he has satisfied all the IRS requirements to date. You are really getting into the nonsensical.<<<<<
One deception after another. If that blue collar Trump supporter thinks he was deceived by the elite wing of the Republican Party, which he has definitely been deceived, he ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to Trump.
>>>>>And you base your crystal ball vision of what Trump will do on what? You've already said he is under the contraints of Congress.<<<<<
The only consistently with Trump is his inconsistency. Anything and everything thing he says or does is subject to change at any time for any reason.
>>>>>Contrasted to Hillary's policy statements.....we have historical record there.....you're envisioned record on Trump is more hysterical.<<<<<
Because of my strong feelings against Trump I must support every effort to defeat Trump. I am going to vote for Hillary Clinton, a seriously flawed candidate who would easily be defeated by Bush or Kasich. I am locked into my position and not subject to changing my mind.
>>>>>Then, my advice to you is protect your assets now....list every firearm you own in the classified today....come Nov. 8th if your gal/guy (I still say Hillary will not be the candidate by Nov. due to legal problems) wins the value of those guns will nose-dive.<<<<<
It is not over til it is over. Trump is the quarterback of a movement that is down by 34 points in the fourth quarter and continues to throw interceptions.
>>>>>Not quite, it's more like 2 minutes into the game. the debates are weeks away.<<<<<

My responses in brackets.

 

[itchyTF]

My dad was a World War II veteran with five bronze battle stars, a man of principals and no bull. Right is right and wrong is wrong and no grey area. I would like to enjoy a few more years of my life here on Earth. I am like FJIM and ask myself what would I do, my answer is I don't know. I do know if my life was terminal and they was to come for my guns or anything else that I had there would be a confrontation.

Your life IS terminal, no matter what you may have or don't have.

 

[AckleymanII]

Canadians are smarter than that and wouldn't let those IDIOTS in.

Alex

If they loved Muslims, they would welcome them with open arms!!!

 

[itchyTF]

The majority here are concerned about Hildabeast "taking away the guns". That is my concern as well. But, look what Opuke did recently. He didn't take any guns BUT he certainly put a dent in our pastime. As a followup Hellary could do all sorts of similar things - register to buy ammo, components and reloading tools or put a HUGE tax on them. Keep putting dents until it becomes either unaffordable or a royal pita. Maybe can't keep firearms at home, limit the amount of components stored, etc, etc. How about only 100 bullets or a lb of powder a month (6 months?)? Let your imagination run wild. But she can claim "I didn't take your guns"!

 

[JRS]

If they loved Muslims, they would welcome them with open arms!!!

Actually, they do. Our northern neighbors aren't afraid of anyone, and have allowed more to settle in than most countries have.

 

[LHSmith]

Actually, they do. Our northern neighbors aren't afraid of anyone, and have allowed more to settle in than most countries have.

Well, the reality is things are not as "peachy" as some would have you believe. My God man, do the research, Canada has had radical muslim terrorist attacks for some time now. Our MSM quell any mention of it. Anytime a religion sect ( like that which supports Sharia Law) is 180 degree counter to the principles a nation was founded on ......problems are guaranteed to develop. We were a great nation because our immigrants assimilated.

 

[JRS]

Assimilated to what? The white mans demands? Immigrants built this great country, LHSmith. Don't forget that!

Would you prefer a "white boy" only country? Perhaps another Nazi Germany? Hitler tried that that very thing. At the end of the day, he failed, miserably! Try not to live in such fear. You'll be much happier. Too much sanity could prove to be a very unpleasant experience. You can serve-up as much Chinese alphabet soup as you choose to, but can't change the facts! And the facts are indisputable!

 

[JRS]

Your hero, LHSmith:He isn't the leader, he's the chauffeur!

 

[AckleymanII]

Actually, they do. Our northern neighbors aren't afraid of anyone, and have allowed more to settle in than most countries have.

Yes, once they get into Canada, easy for them to get into the USA.

 

[AckleymanII]

Assimilated to what? The white mans demands? Immigrants built this great country, LHSmith. Don't forget that!

Would you prefer a "white boy" only country? Perhaps another Nazi Germany? Hitler tried that that very thing. At the end of the day, he failed, miserably! Try not to live in such fear. You'll be much happier. Too much sanity could prove to be a very unpleasant experience. You can serve-up as much Chinese alphabet soup as you choose to, but can't change the facts! And the facts are indisputable!

Immigrants back in the day did not cost the USA 30,000 + per year!!!

Also, each Muslim male is allowed to send welfare to 5 wives back home plus the children, now you get the picture???

 

[22BRGUY]

White Black Yellow Red....Male Female Trans?$%&#@....All have red blood (I think).
A famous PERSON once said..."It's NOT about the color of the skin (or any other unique differentiating outer characteristic), it's about the Content of the Character"

 

[AckleymanII]

White Black Yellow Red....Male Female Trans?$%&#@....All have red blood (I think).
A famous PERSON once said..."It's NOT about the color of the skin (or any other unique differentiating outer characteristic), it's about the Content of the Character"

Millions upon Millions of immigrants coming into the country at $30,000-$60,000 EACH-PER YEAR, Plus dependents back in their home country will bankrupt the USA. Why is it that no one ever speaks of thE EXPENSE of immigration???

We don't have the money to sustain this cost, it all has to be borrowed, no one very mentions this fact.

This immigration issue with it's expense is the Suicide of America.

 

[/VH]

My dad was a World War II veteran with five bronze battle stars, a man of principals and no bull. Right is right and wrong is wrong and no grey area. I would like to enjoy a few more years of my life here on Earth. I am like FJIM and ask myself what would I do, my answer is I don't know. I do know if my life was terminal and they was to come for my guns or anything else that I had there would be a confrontation.

Your life IS terminal, no matter what you may have or don't have.

I agree with itchyTF on that and, at the point that we just hand over our guns or anything else that they come for, our freedom will be terminal as well. I don't think I could really enjoy a few more years of my life on earth, knowing that I just handed over the freedom that so many have fought for and sacrificed to secure for us. Is the price of our freedom worth paying forward?

Hopefully, we will rally together and hold strong to our principals because if we don't, those who would come, will not be deterred. I don't know just how effectively we can resist, if/when the time comes but let's don't tell 'them' that it won't be ugly.

 

[/VH]

Millions upon Millions of immigrants coming into the country at $30,000-$60,000 EACH, Plus dependents back in their home country will bankrupt the USA. Why is it that no one ever speaks of thE EXPENSE in all the talk of immigration???

Apparently, there is no price too high for another Democrat vote!

Seems to me, it'd be better spent on our Vets, if we actually had it, to spend.

 

[22BRGUY]

Absolute truth on my position. I was in support of first Jeb Bush and then John Kasich. Yes the moderate wing of the part. Here are some of my thoughts I have put together on why I could never support Trump.
Trump tools; racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, demagoguery.
In other words anti black or brown or anti anyone other than white, anti-women unless they know their place, then the women are cherished, anti-immigrants with special attention to Mexicans, Muslims and any and all people of color. Anti-gay rights to also include denial of transgender rights. Use fear to convince your supporters you are the only one that can save them. People of color, immigrants, gays and women have been "screwing over" the working white guy by taking his jobs and holding him accountable for his actions and words, i.e. political correctness. Make America great again is merely code for putting minorities and protected groups including women back in their place.
Trump would become the strong man and protector, we have had a few throughout history. Trump has adapted their playbook and it seems to be working.
The founding fathers of this country spent years hammering out our present system of Constitutional government to guard against the likes of a would be dictator such as Donald Trump. Even if elected Trump will quickly learn about the separation of powers, the realities of the Executive branch of government not being able to override the Judicial and Legislative branches.
If you are hoping for a multibillion dollar wall on our southern border it is not going to happen without appropriation of funds from the House of Representatives and approval by the Senate before it goes to the President. And by the way Trump cannot unilaterally impose tariffs on Mexico to make them pay for the wall. Tariffs are set by the House of Representatives and approved by the Senate before it gets to the President.
If you are hoping for mass deportations, it is not going to happen without due process for each and every individual to be deported. The funds for such a massive and expensive endeavor would again have to be appropriated by the House of Representatives and approved by the Senate before it gets to the President.
If you are hoping for a ban on all Muslims entering the country Trump had already backed off on that one limiting the ban to apply to Syrian refuges only to which Trump has claimed tens of thousands are pouring in to the US without being vetted. So far the actual number is roughly 1700 refugees all of who have gone through a thorough vetting process. Now Trump is saying the ban on Muslims was "just a suggestion."
The next faze of broken promises has to do with Donald Trump self funding his campaign. The truth is the funding has come from a 36 million dollar loan from Trump to his campaign. According to sources close to Trump he may or not pay himself back for the campaign loan. Trump has until August to decide. In reality he has "interim" finance his campaign.
How about Trumps tax returns. First the releasing of his tax returns were being delayed due to being audited. Now he is saying he may or may not release his tax returns by the election.
One deception after another. If that blue collar Trump supporter thinks he was deceived by the elite wing of the Republican Party, which he has definitely been deceived, he ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to Trump.
The only consistently with Trump is his inconsistency. Anything and everything thing he says or does is subject to change at any time for any reason.
Because of my strong feelings against Trump I must support every effort to defeat Trump. I am going to vote for Hillary Clinton, a seriously flawed candidate who would easily be defeated by Bush or Kasich. I am locked into my position and not subject to changing my mind.
It is not over til it is over. Trump is the quarterback of a movement that is down by 34 points in the fourth quarter and continues to throw interceptions. Respectfully, Ray

In response to your post I have found no existing proof or evidence to support your accusations and imputations on Donald Trump other than your opinion. To my knowledge there have been no actions or legal charges or investigations or convictions of any kind on these items by any legal authority or private investigator for that matter. You may want to check your sources and present anything substantial.

On the other hand I have found this undisputed item on your candidate:

 

['Freak]

Assimilated to what? The white mans demands? Immigrants built this great country, LHSmith. Don't forget that!

Would you prefer a "white boy" only country? Perhaps another Nazi Germany? Hitler tried that that very thing. At the end of the day, he failed, miserably! Try not to live in such fear. You'll be much happier. Too much sanity could prove to be a very unpleasant experience. You can serve-up as much Chinese alphabet soup as you choose to, but can't change the facts! And the facts are indisputable!

Really ...?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/hitler-muslim-brotherhood.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/12/islamic_fascism_the_nazi_connection.html

And, a gotta read:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3672/muslim-brotherhood-us-government
"The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions.
-- 'An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America,' 1981[16]

&&
… This is, of course, but a small sampling of North American Muslim Brotherhood front groups, but gives an idea of the level of "acceptability," among both mainstream Muslim and U.S. society in general, that the groups have achieved by stealth and deception.

One of the most "mainstream" of these front groups is the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), named, by the Justice Dept., an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror funding case. According to Frank Gaffney, the president of the Center for Security Policy (CSP)[29], ISNA functions as a kind of umbrella organization for many hundreds of offshoot Islamic Societies across North America. Yet, in spite of its DoJ status as a front group for the jihadist Muslim Brotherhood, ISNA still has been granted a coveted advisory role with the National Security Council (NSC) of the Obama White House.[30] ISNA's president, Muhammed Magid, is not only the Director of the All-Dulles Area Muslim Society (ADAMS) Center, but also an A-list invitee to White House iftar dinners, and a member of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) "Countering Violent Extremism" Advisory Council.[31] In that capacity, Magid participated in a July 2012 CIA training session, speaking at Langley about "Building Communities of Trust: A Local Example of a Partnership between the All Dulles Area Muslim Society (ADAMS) and Law Enforcement."[32]

&&
… “The George W. Bush administration was targeted with a multifaceted, sophisticated information operation designed to deceive national security officials about the true nature of the Islamic jihadist enemy that attacked the homeland on 9/11. Surrounded by Muslim Brotherhood voices which told him true Islam had been "hijacked" by a "tiny minority of extremists," President Bush responded by flinging U.S. military might against those who had physically carried out those attacks. Far more importantly, however, is that he was successfully deterred from investigating the belief system that inspired those hijackers by a blanket of Muslim Brotherhood taqiyya that successfully smothered inquiry about the very Islamic doctrine that al-Qa'eda and the hijackers themselves declared to be their motivation. Although few realize it to this day, the crippling of the Bush administration's GWOT response marked a crucial turning point in the U.S. ability to defend itself against Islamic jihad.”

&&
… “As bad as these developments were, things became immeasurably worse for American national security under the administration of Barack Obama. Whereas President Bush and most of his administration insiders remained largely unaware that they had been manipulated by the Muslim Brotherhood, Obama and his close advisors proactively chose to reach out to the Brotherhood, its affiliates, and supporters for advice, training, and even administration appointments.”

&&
… “Huma Abedin, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's Deputy Chief of Staff, has served her in various capacities since first coming to the White House as an intern in 1996, while a student at George Washington University in Washington DC (where she was a member of the MSA Executive Board).[84] For decades, she and members of her immediate family — mother, father, brother, and sister — have been closely associated with individuals among the top ranks of the Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qa'eda financial support organizations, and the Saudi royal family. Given Abedin's security clearance and responsibilities to advise the Secretary on Middle East policy and politics, these affiliations must raise serious questions about her suitability for this post.

To begin, Abedin's mother, Dr. Saleha Abedin[85] is a senior member of the Muslim Sisterhood (the distaff side of the Muslim Brotherhood) and is on record publicly supporting female genital mutilation, child marriage, marital rape, as well as stoning and lashing for adultery because they are consistent with Islamic shariah.[86] A co-founder with Dr. Abedin of the Dar el-Hekma Women's College in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, Yaseen Abdullah Kadi, is a Treasury Department "specially designated global terrorist."[87] In February 2010, at the behest of Huma Abedin,[88] Secretary Clinton visited and spoke at Dar el-Hekma.

The most troubling associate of the Abedin family, however, is Abdullah Omar Nasseef,[89] a senior Muslim Brotherhood leadership figure and Saudi royal family insider with direct connections to financial entities implicated in pre-9/11 funding of al-Qa'eda. During his long career, Nasseef has … ”

Etc., etc., etc. …

 

[22BRGUY]

Assimilated to what? The white mans demands? Immigrants built this great country, LHSmith. Don't forget that!

Would you prefer a "white boy" only country? Perhaps another Nazi Germany? Hitler tried that that very thing. At the end of the day, he failed, miserably! Try not to live in such fear. You'll be much happier. Too much sanity could prove to be a very unpleasant experience. You can serve-up as much Chinese alphabet soup as you choose to, but can't change the facts! And the facts are indisputable!

"WHITE man's demands"?????????????? This comment certainly seems "racist" to my mind. Please be specific about a couple of "demands" that affect you or any human being that exist or were created by a person solely out of the color of skin being WHITE. I suggest you consider that the human mind has no color, but it does have an ego regardless of skin color, and the ego is always looking for itself and it's self interest. Egos do join themselves with other egos that they believe will help their own self interest and preservation. Our founding fathers I believe, knew about the dangers of "ego groups" and thereby created the Constitution of the United States to prevent "ego groups" from getting so large that they could and would impose "demands" on others to the point of extinction. The fact that their skin color happened to be mostly WHITE at that time did not have any more to do with their skin color than existed at the time in the general human global population. I understand that the slave trade 200 years ago was wrong on all sides, and there was plenty of blame to go around. Some of the greatest slave traders were the native country (government) leaders that sold their own people (with the same skin color) for their own ego oriented self interest.
The founding fathers clearly realized that the greatest dangerous "ego group" throughout human history was government itself becoming too large and powerful. That's why the Constitution was designed to be both democratic and republic. Governments are good and necessary but must be limited.