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AR-15: New CA Laws, Change in Action Operation, More Accuracy?

In July of 2016, CA Governor Brown signed legislation that will mandate state registration of semi-auto centerfire rifles with certain "features". I won't register on principle, but will not violate the law either if the gun is modified so that it does need to be registered. "Modified" in the sense that it is no longer a semi-auto.

Turn the gas block on the barrel to block the gas port that routes gases to operate the bolt, and the gun no longer self ejects, cocks, and loads another round. Remove the gas tube or bolt gas key and it really can't be made into a semi without reinstalling a part.

There are available options that permit the shooter to pull straight back on a handle attached to the side of the bolt, the gun essentially becoming a bolt action rifle, but with only two actions, pull back to eject shell, and push forward (or let bolt return spring do it), to strip a round out of the mag and chamber.

Typically, to ensure reliable rapid loading and extracting of the case in a semi-auto, the chamber is on the loose side, avoiding potential hangups that may come with a tighter chamber. A loose chamber may not be be the best for accuracy. But if case extraction and loading are like a bolt action, could one not use a tighter chamber to hopefully enhance accuracy?

With a straight-pull action, other benefits are realized. Biggest one is a much cleaner bolt carrier assembly. No high pressure gas mixed in with bolt lubricants. Ugh! And of course, there would be no gas tube, no gas block, no gas key on the bolt, and no gas port drilled into barrel. There are other benefits as well.

In any event, without gas powered self ejection, loading, and cocking, the gun is not a semi-auto. No registration, a cleaner gun, and possibly more accurate if the chamber is cut more like a bolt action than a semi. I may try this. I have an AR-15 and AR-10 receiver, I may build as straight-pull actions, using a tighter chamber. What problems do you think I may run into? I would use 6.5 x 47 in the AR-10, but may want to see if it is possible to run a 6mmBR, which can be a challenge in any mag fed gun. Call me nuts, but I do like trying stuff like this.

Phil
 
Re: operational issues- I'd make certain the gas port/ tube is somehow totally blocked to eliminate the flow of any gas.

Given that the most anxiety producing aspect of an AR 15 is it's appearance, as opposed to it's function, I'm not sure your tinkering will have eliminated the inevitable, and undue attention you'll likely need to address.

Also,
Does the law indeed specify features and functions, as opposed to a laundry list of banned firearms?
Lastly:
there ARE 49 other states in which one can reside
Good Luck
 
How easily a weapon can be converted to something prohibited can be an issue. Turning off an adjustable gas block would eliminate the semi-auto function, but to me, is far too easy to return to a semi-auto status with a quick turn of an adjustment. The law, as I know them, is not clear on this. Typically, from the way I read things, is that something that requires disassembly is more or less OK. A missing gas tube, a gas block with no hole for a gas tube (I can make that on my lathe), and no gas key on the bolt would render it inoperable as a semi-auto without acquisition of different parts and assembly. Note that an AR with a 22 rimfire upper on it is exempt from registration and can still be purchased even after the 1/1/2017 ban, and it can sit side by side with a centerfire upper, but just don't put the centerfire upper on the lower receiver.

The "inevitable" may come, but at least we will be closer to showing how silly the laws are, doing nothing to affect lethality. In CA, I have low hopes... The "stupid" is strong with the majority of CA voters.

The part of the law I have read is about features and functions. There may be a banned list of firearms as well, but since I build my own, this is irrelevant.

There are 49 other states that one can reside, and most of those are far more gun friendly, and I have done all possible to leave. But, with daughter and family (w/new daughter), wife's family all local in the San Francisco bay area, it is a real challenge to leave and be anywhere near CA. Still determined to make something work.

Phil
 
How easily a weapon can be converted to something prohibited can be an issue. Turning off an adjustable gas block would eliminate the semi-auto function, but to me, is far too easy to return to a semi-auto status with a quick turn of an adjustment. The law, as I know them, is not clear on this. Typically, from the way I read things, is that something that requires disassembly is more or less OK. A missing gas tube, a gas block with no hole for a gas tube (I can make that on my lathe), and no gas key on the bolt would render it inoperable as a semi-auto without acquisition of different parts and assembly. Note that an AR with a 22 rimfire upper on it is exempt from registration and can still be purchased even after the 1/1/2017 ban, and it can sit side by side with a centerfire upper, but just don't put the centerfire upper on the lower receiver.

The "inevitable" may come, but at least we will be closer to showing how silly the laws are, doing nothing to affect lethality. In CA, I have low hopes... The "stupid" is strong with the majority of CA voters.

The part of the law I have read is about features and functions. There may be a banned list of firearms as well, but since I build my own, this is irrelevant.

There are 49 other states that one can reside, and most of those are far more gun friendly, and I have done all possible to leave. But, with daughter and family (w/new daughter), wife's family all local in the San Francisco bay area, it is a real challenge to leave and be anywhere near CA. Still determined to make something work.

Phil
It isn't at all hard to leave. My wife and I did that very thing, and her family were born and raised in Ca.
 
I`ve got a place.....;)
My wife and I weighed the pros and cons before moving. When considering the State sales tax, employment tax, cost of gas/diesel fuel, automobile insurance premiums, enjoyment, freedom and rights, the decision to move was a no-brainer. We also enjoy the 4 seasons:)
 
It isn't at all hard to leave. My wife and I did that very thing, and her family were born and raised in Ca.

Leaving the San Francisco bay area, means putting considerable distance between ALL of my wife's family, my only child, her husband, and their 11 month old daughter. Logistically, not hard to move, but emotionally, for the wife, a VERY big deal.

The wisdom and logic of moving out of CA is a slam-dunk. As my investment advisor told me, the annual out of pocket savings his clients enjoy by leaving the bay area for just about any other place in normal America, is about $20,000 a year. Retiring here is just crazy.

Phil
 
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Leaving the San Francisco bay area, means putting considerable distance between ALL of my wife's family, my only child, her husband, and their 11 month old daughter. Logistically, not hard to move, but emotionally, for the wife, a VERY big deal.

The wisdom and logic of moving out of CA is a slam-dunk. As my investment advisor told me, the annual out of pocket savings his clients enjoy by leaving the bay area for just about any other place in normal America, is about $20,000 a year. Retiring here is just crazy.

Phil
I know what you're saying:)
 
Why eliminate the semi-auto action when you can go "featureless." If a semi auto centerfire rifle has removable magazines and a conspicuous pistol grip (or thumb hole stock) a flash hider (not muzzle brake), blah blah blah and other "evil features" it will need to be RAW.

My guns have target crowns, I also plan to go with the non-removeable magazine (inserts from the top) on one lower and the shark find on the pistol grip so much thumb cannot wrap around it, on another lower.

The very last thing I want to do is register, because the way this state is going I suspect that list will be the first target of any emotional knee-jerk law passing politicians to come after moon beam.
 
Why eliminate the semi-auto action when you can go "featureless." If a semi auto centerfire rifle has removable magazines and a conspicuous pistol grip (or thumb hole stock) a flash hider (not muzzle brake), blah blah blah and other "evil features" it will need to be RAW.

My guns have target crowns, I also plan to go with the non-removeable magazine (inserts from the top) on one lower and the shark find on the pistol grip so much thumb cannot wrap around it, on another lower.

The very last thing I want to do is register, because the way this state is going I suspect that list will be the first target of any emotional knee-jerk law passing politicians to come after moon beam.

I considered featureless, and may try it on the one AR-15 I have. The "shark fin" wrap around grip looks awkward to me, interfering with a proper grip (IMHO). But, I may try it. It looks to me like it would be a pain to try and load a mag from the top, but I admit I have not tried it. I also feel that CA will quickly ban the shark fin grip. You can still "spray" bullets 'ya know! I would like to hear back on what you think of the shark fin and fixed mag. Like you, the very last option is to register, and for me, that really is not an option.

Phil
 
That same F...ing IDIOT signed another pearl of wisdom that will outlaw any magazine that holds more than 10 rds. It also states that starting July 2017, anyone caught with an "illegal magazine" will be subject to a citation, but it is unclear if the charge will constitute an infraction or a misdemeanor. And there is no grandfather clause which means that starting July 2017 owners of said illegal magazines will be required to turn them in without compensation. So it will now be OK to be illegally in this state yet citizens cannot legally possess a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rds. I can see how the "criminal population" will dramatically increase and those citizens have a choice to make of whether they want a criminal record. It is truly amazing what our country has come to and especially how far down in the toilet California has gone.

Alex
 
Reno is four hours by car from the Bay Area. Just sayin'


You mean Eastern California.............:p

I`ve got friends that live there ( 18 yrs. or so now ) that place is getting full of soccer moms who Effed up this place and then wanted to move away from it.

Now they live up there and are still contaminating the country by voting for the same crap that they voted for here......:mad:

Idiots..................

I truly feel sorry for the good people of Nevada and I understand their dislike for Californians.

Phil.
 
You mean Eastern California.............:p

I`ve got friends that live there ( 18 yrs. or so now ) that place is getting full of soccer moms who Effed up this place and then wanted to move away from it.

Now they live up there and are still contaminating the country by voting for the same crap that they voted for here......:mad:

Idiots..................

I truly feel sorry for the good people of Nevada and I understand their dislike for Californians.

Phil.

Alex (Shynloco), we both are in CA and both know how seriously awful it is with regards to gun laws. A city near where I work (Sunnyvale) banned possession of any 11+ round mag, as have other cities, and such laws have withstood legal challenges. The new rallying cry I feel, hear, and sense, is WWNC (We Will Not Comply), especially with the realization that a gun owner fighting in CA is little different than those few Japanese soldier holdouts still fighting well after WWII ended. Bottom line, the war in CA is lost and has been for a while. The majority of the voters here are getting exactly what they want, We are in the minority and lose every time.

Epoletna,
Been scoping out Minden NV, just across the border, but it is like Phil says on Californians invading other parts of the country. See below.

Phil, I am desperately looking to move elsewhere, out of CA, but my situation makes it very hard, and I really do understand exactly what long time NV residents feel about CA. Mark Levin, conservative talk show host, said it well. Liberals are like locusts. They destroy their own environment, look around puzzled as to what happened, move to new fertile ground (NV in this case) and repeat the destruction they wrought in the place they left. Repeat again, while they breed, and make more locusts to do more of the same.

Phil
 
Guys,
Might I suggest you also take a look at Utah as a possible place to FLEE Californicate. I know of a couple of shooting buddies who have made the decision to move out of California because of the increasing negative atmosphere toward "guns' and gun owners. Cedar City is a beautiful area I've drove through and visited friends living in the area. Its a whole different world where people have heads on their shoulders and not have their heads stuck in their tailpipes like in California. Just a thought of some beautiful country and alternative to not being concerned about IDIOTS like Jerry Brown. In fact, I was somewhat (not totally) surprised when the idiot voters brought back stupid Jerry a second time, having seen the damage he did the first time around. Guess it shows you that Stanislaus County is still growing weed successfully and that they serve it freely to the folks in the Capitol Building in Sacramento who probably eat is as much as they smoke it.

Alex
 
Leaving the San Francisco bay area, means putting considerable distance between ALL of my wife's family, my only child, her husband, and their 11 month old daughter. Logistically, not hard to move, but emotionally, for the wife, a VERY big deal.

The wisdom and logic of moving out of CA is a slam-dunk. As my investment advisor told me, the annual out of pocket savings his clients enjoy by leaving the bay area for just about any other place in normal America, is about $20,000 a year. Retiring here is just crazy.

Phil
Oh yeah. My wife and I left the Bay Area, (Walnut Creek) in 2004. We took a cut in pay to move and got a raise in net from lack of taxation when we hit Florida. So made less gross and got more net. Not to mention when I sold the house for double what I paid in just 8 years.
 

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