Any official ARA release re: new rimfire classes?

[JMayo]

And there are no scores under anything except indoor unlimited and outdoor unlimited.
And Those games are not divided in any way according to rifle used.

Again, your club or that club,(might, idk) can hold matches that are class driven with those rules and send them in to ara.


Get involved, start shooting at ara matches & find out what is and what isn't.
I can't explain it any different.
I've been shooting ARA 10yrs.
NO MATCHES ARE DIVIDED UP INTO RIFLE CLASSES IN INDOOR UNLIMITED OR OUTDOOR UNLIMITED ..BUT YOU CAN SHOOT WHAT YOU BRING.
Shoot 6, 700-1500 a card and you will be at the bottom of the score sheet with no mention of what rifle you shoot.

 

[garandman]

@JMayo ... I hear ya.

I find it odd they go to the trouble of defining Sporter Class rules...

8.4. Sporter Class
8.4.1.Rifles
8.4.1.1. Unlimited Scope Power
8.4.1.2. Gun and Scope must weigh 8.5 lbs or under.
8.4.1.3. No electronic or mechanically assisted triggers are permitted.
8.4.1.4. Rifle must be a repeater and must be able to hold 2 or more rounds in a removable
clip/magazine except for tubular fed rifles. Rounds may be fed into the chamber either by
hand or from the magazine.
8.4.1.5. Stock must be made of wood.
8.4.1.6. Stock must be 2.25” or under at its widest point.
8.4.1.7. The bottom of the stock that comes into contact with the rest must be convex. The
convexity must be across the entire width of the stock. This applies to the forend and the
butt of the stock.
8.4.1.8. Sporter Template Convexity and stock width will be determined by placing the stock into
the “Sporter Template‟. The stock shall be placed into the template in a manner that the
bottom of the stock will touch the bottom of the template. The bottom of the stock shall not
come into full contact with the bottom of the cut out in the template. If the stock does come
into full contact with the template, the stock is not convex and therefore illegal. If the stock
will not fit into the template, the stock width is greater than 2.25” and therefore illegal.
“Sporter Templates‟ are available from ARA.
8.4.1.9. Barrel must be made out of one piece of metal with no attachments except for what is
needed to attach the barrel to the action.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Is that what you see as the goal....to make ARA totally factory? Or are you saying the goal is to make "sporter" totally factory? And leave "unlimited" as is?

From what I can see "Unlimited" IS 90% of ARA. It could use some diversification. But it dies without the Unlimited class.

Ah, that is not what I said I said they are doing away with sporter class. unlimited will always be there, no way they will be getting rid of that class.

WHAT I SAID IS THAT THEY ARE ADDING FACTORY CLASS FOR 2020 TO BE SANCTIONED AS SUCH AND SCORE BEST EDGE!

Lee

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

@JMayo ... I hear ya.

I find it odd they go to the trouble of defining Sporter Class rules...

8.4. Sporter Class
8.4.1.Rifles
8.4.1.1. Unlimited Scope Power
8.4.1.2. Gun and Scope must weigh 8.5 lbs or under.
8.4.1.3. No electronic or mechanically assisted triggers are permitted.
8.4.1.4. Rifle must be a repeater and must be able to hold 2 or more rounds in a removable
clip/magazine except for tubular fed rifles. Rounds may be fed into the chamber either by
hand or from the magazine.
8.4.1.5. Stock must be made of wood.
8.4.1.6. Stock must be 2.25” or under at its widest point.
8.4.1.7. The bottom of the stock that comes into contact with the rest must be convex. The
convexity must be across the entire width of the stock. This applies to the forend and the
butt of the stock.
8.4.1.8. Sporter Template Convexity and stock width will be determined by placing the stock into
the “Sporter Template‟. The stock shall be placed into the template in a manner that the
bottom of the stock will touch the bottom of the template. The bottom of the stock shall not
come into full contact with the bottom of the cut out in the template. If the stock does come
into full contact with the template, the stock is not convex and therefore illegal. If the stock
will not fit into the template, the stock width is greater than 2.25” and therefore illegal.
“Sporter Templates‟ are available from ARA.
8.4.1.9. Barrel must be made out of one piece of metal with no attachments except for what is
needed to attach the barrel to the action.

What you don't understand is that the rules for sporter class does not make a custom action illegal to shoot so we are at the same place, where money will dictate a lot of who will shoot that class.

so with a factory off the shelf class and limited to $1000, no more custom actions. also with a off the shelf rifle, MD don't have to insure some shooters are in compliance with rules, no weighing rifles, checking stocks, etc.
get it, much easier for MD and probably be more acceptable.

Lee

Lee

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

@JMayo ... I hear ya.

I find it odd they go to the trouble of defining Sporter Class rules...

8.4. Sporter Class
8.4.1.Rifles
8.4.1.1. Unlimited Scope Power
8.4.1.2. Gun and Scope must weigh 8.5 lbs or under.
8.4.1.3. No electronic or mechanically assisted triggers are permitted.
8.4.1.4. Rifle must be a repeater and must be able to hold 2 or more rounds in a removable
clip/magazine except for tubular fed rifles. Rounds may be fed into the chamber either by
hand or from the magazine.
8.4.1.5. Stock must be made of wood.
8.4.1.6. Stock must be 2.25” or under at its widest point.
8.4.1.7. The bottom of the stock that comes into contact with the rest must be convex. The
convexity must be across the entire width of the stock. This applies to the forend and the
butt of the stock.
8.4.1.8. Sporter Template Convexity and stock width will be determined by placing the stock into
the “Sporter Template‟. The stock shall be placed into the template in a manner that the
bottom of the stock will touch the bottom of the template. The bottom of the stock shall not
come into full contact with the bottom of the cut out in the template. If the stock does come
into full contact with the template, the stock is not convex and therefore illegal. If the stock
will not fit into the template, the stock width is greater than 2.25” and therefore illegal.
“Sporter Templates‟ are available from ARA.
8.4.1.9. Barrel must be made out of one piece of metal with no attachments except for what is
needed to attach the barrel to the action.

And if you check you will be hard pressed to find a ARA sporter class match that was shot probably in the last 5-years and more likely 7 or 8
also did you not read where I said in 2020, we are still in 2019 so all those rules for sporter will apply still, but come 2020 goodby
Lee

 

[JMayo]

If a club wants to hold a sporter (or what ever the rules say)match like that they can. (I reckon) none do obviously. Idk why.

Outdoor unlimited is unlimited.
Indoor unlimited is unlimited.
Anything can be shot, scores fall in line highest to lowest.

Sporter is sporter, unlimiteds cannot shoot but a smaller/less than can (probably) idk.
Scores fall in line.

But at matches I've shot (unlimited)
No matter what you shoot its an unlimited match. Not a mixture of classes.
Maybe they will start mixing them.
My nin ara club has no problem mixing club matches. we all shoot at the same time. The scorer records each shooters score into the correct class. I think we have 3, idk ... I'm only competing with UL's.
The others are only competing with eaches class.

Here's a good one.
I shoot 600yds ibs light gun and heavy gun.
I shoot my light gun in both.
My scores just fall in line, the same in both classes high to too low.
Heavy guns can't shoot light gun but light guns can be shot in heavy gun. Heavy guns have the advantage & they don't care I'm shooting a light gun. I'm still willing to play !

 

[VLNBYR]

First off there is ARA sporter being shot and scores and rankings are on the ARA site. The sporter class never had any support or encouragement from ARA, no nationals, etc. which makes it sad that all of a sudden they are all in on factory class.

What you have to do is follow the money, substitute "ELEY" for "ARA", and then it will all become clear.

 

[garandman]

The sporter class never had any support or encouragement from ARA, no nationals, etc. which makes it sad that all of a sudden they are all in on factory class.

Nice to meet you at Saturdays match.

What I am trying to understand… hopefully By means of an ARA press release or something official... is how "all in" is "all in" on factory class ?

According to some at the match, ARA is going to be way too far "all in" on factory class.

 

[JMayo]

1 club it seems chooses to have outdoor sporter. Wish more would.

It's up to the range/club to choose to put on the game, tournaments, nationals ...
Many don't want outside games. Prefer to stay with their club matches, like my club. We've asked for ara matches they say no.
So it's offered, if your club doesn't have it ...it's not Killoughs fault.
Im sure Killoughs would LOVE IT if ara started at all ranges.
Speak to you club officers.

Killoughs, Eley, McMillan, Lapua & several other vendors attend the big matches for marketing and sales. The companies can't be expected to come to matches unless sales will offset cost of travel.

 

[Tim s]

Take a DEEP breath boys!

suggesting rumor avoidance requires zero breathing moderation, it tends to avoid unnecessary speculation, especially, as has been mentioned, it takes about 1 minute to verify.

 

[Tim s]

And if you check you will be hard pressed to find a ARA sporter class match that was shot probably in the last 5-years and more likely 7 or 8
also did you not read where I said in 2020, we are still in 2019 so all those rules for sporter will apply still, but come 2020 goodby
Lee

Yep, in spite of intent, few show up for sporter. The initial thought was to be less restrictive that IR 50/50 sporters in regard to weight/ scope power.
Same thing with IR factory gun try, wanted to aid new guys showing up.....virtually nobody did.
One of the big factors with ARA popularity is not needing a second custom gun (sporter) or dealing with older eyes and 6X optics. It is not particularly easy finding/building a 7.5 lb. gun, 6X scope combo that lays down 250’s.

 

[garandman]

suggesting rumor avoidance requires zero breathing moderation, it tends to avoid unnecessary speculation, especially, as has been mentioned, it takes about 1 minute to verify.

That's why I asked for an official press release or other authoritative announcement direct from ARA about the factory class and what will be the specifics of the competition classes going forward.

To dispell rumors I've heard.

*Some* ppl here NEED to take a breath and read what I actually posted, and what I'm actually requesting.

 

[JMayo]

My experience with ARA shooters it's there is no chit chat.
I doubt there is a "press release"
It'll just become writing and will be up to those interested (clubs) to implement.
I hope it grows.

BTW Clubs have to pay ARA something like a dollar a target. That's why both the club's I've been involved with said no. Even though they were willing to pay NRA.
Same envy I hear from some that don't like to see ppl do good in life.imo

 

[MrG52D]

That's why I asked for an official press release or other authoritative announcement direct from ARA about the factory class and what will be the specifics of the competition classes going forward.

To dispell rumors I've heard.

*Some* ppl here NEED to take a breath and read what I actually posted, and what I'm actually requesting.

Then why did your opening post say "
I'm looking for official info re: the new factory / sporter class from American Rimfire Assoc.

Rumors I'm hearing are almost like they are doing away with the Unlimited class...."
DEEP BREATH.

There is no factory/sporter class. There is no official news release or public announcement about the factory class as of now. Like I said yesterday, the rumors you say you heard must come from someone that is misinformed about the subject or a internet troll. If you did not start the rumor, then that would not apply to you. If you want direct information about ARA, I suggest you contact Paul Tolvstad he is on top of almost everything in ARA. Short of that, buy you a rifle or use what you have, go to some ARA matches and all your questions will be answered. Best way to learn about something is to get involved. That's the way I started, factory rifle at the 2013 IR50/50 Nationals, no regrets.

 

[garandman]

Then why did your opening post say "
I'm looking for official info re: the new factory / sporter class from American Rimfire Assoc.

I said that Bcuz I'm looking for official information either re: the creation / details regarding the factory class, or disbanding / termination of the sporter class. Info directly from the ARA.

 

[garandman]

. There is no official news release or public announcement about the factory class as of now.

Then you've really got nothing as to what I'm looking for. So... have a nice day.

 

[Tim s]

That's why I asked for an official press release or other authoritative announcement direct from ARA about the factory class and what will be the specifics of the competition classes going forward.

To dispell rumors I've heard.

*Some* ppl here NEED to take a breath and read what I actually posted, and what I'm actually requesting.

“Official press release” ?
You’re not talking about IBM here.
It’s real simple, if it’s real, it’s on the site, pretty much like any other sanctioning body.

 

[garandman]

“Official press release” ?
You’re not talking about IBM here.
It’s real simple, if it’s real, it’s on the site, pretty much like any other sanctioning body.

Then how does everybody and his brother already know about the new factory class replacing the soon to be defunct sporter class? How are they giving me supposed criteria regarding requirements for this new factory class? MSRP Price max, and weight creiteria and etc. And how do we know for certain Sporter is going away. I don't see it on their website.

Somebody, somewhere is disseminating information. And I'd like to know if that's all just rumor / innuendo.

 

[garandman]

OK....so I called ARA's main phone #, got Killough Shooting Sports and here's what they told me:

• Unlimited Class is here to stay. And all God's ppl said "Amen !!!"
• Sporter class is definitely gone. Only 4 ppl in the US are actually shooting it regularly
• Factory class is replacing it. About the only thing decided there is the $1,000 MSRP repquirement. It won't include any older 52D's or 40x's or Anschutz, etc
• Current thought is to either (1) use the current target, scored "best edge" or perhaps another target printed on the reverse side of the current ARA card, different dimensions, scored differently.
• They referred to it as a true "squirel gun" class.
  
• A press release may come as early as Dec 2019, but no firm date as discussions are on-going
• Match Directors are being consulted as apparently the driver of the discussion(s)

 

[Tim s]

OK....so I called ARA's main phone #, got Killough Shooting Sports and here's what they told me:

• Unlimited Class is here to stay. And all God's ppl said "Amen !!!"
• Sporter class is definitely gone. Only 4 ppl in the US are actually shooting it regularly
• Factory class is replacing it. About the only thing decided there is the $1,000 MSRP repquirement. It won't include any older 52D's or 40x's or Anschutz, etc
• Current thought is to either (1) use the current target, scored "best edge" or perhaps another target printed on the reverse side of the current ARA card, different dimensions, scored differently.
• They referred to it as a true "squirel gun" class.
  
• A press release may come as early as Dec 2019, but no firm date as discussions are on-going
• Match Directors are being consulted as apparently the driver of the discussion(s)

there you go, that wasn't tough. When in doubt talk to management.