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Alec Baldwin shot and killed someone on set

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mills braswell said:
and spend the rest of the time spinning the "accident" into Baldwin being the victim,
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There are plausible arguments to it being a genuine "accident". If a real/loaded gun got improperly put on the gray cart, which is only supposed to have cold guns, when David Halls pulled it off and called it a "cold gun", he may not have actually verified it was a cold gun. He could have just assumed it was because it came off the cold gun cart.

It's clearly negligence on his part. I'm just not quick to assume it was a sabotage.
 
LHSmith said:
Theoretically some brainless technician could have put a smaller cartridge (blank?) in the cylinder -it was a six-gun- and it never fires -obviously- then slides forward into the barrel, then the correct cartridge blank is fired. There were issues previous to the deadly incident.
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Now that is an interesting and plausible supposition.
For example, if a 38-40 caliber firearm was used:
A 9mm Luger case has an OD of about .385"
A 38-40 bore land to land is around .394"
It would take very little powder residue to retain a 9mm inside a 38-40 barrel,
and black powder blanks would leave plenty of residue.

But, (yes, one more time), it still comes down to:
1. ALWAYS ASSUME EVERY FIREARM IS LOADED, UNTIL YOU PERSONALLY CLEAR IT.
2. NEVER POINT A LOADED OR UNLOADED FIREARM IN AN UNSAFE DIRECTION.

And you ignored both of these rules (RULES, not suggestions), Alec.
 
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The more I think about this, I would assume it would have been
a Colt style Peace Maker in the incident. We all know you have to
manually cock it. I won't speculate further
 
Riesel said:
The righteous indignation and hate. I'm a bit overwhelmed.
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John and Riesel, It’s a terrible accident that wouldn’t get this response if it happened at a gun range, a gun store or our reloading room.

The frustration being vented is that Hollywood glorifies reality escapes in two hour bursts of things like gun violence, street racing, substance abuse, and other indulgent behavior.

The public pays to see it, then well off celebrities who by and large don’t support 2A publicly and don’t care about privately owning guns, use their platform to conflate guns with violence, when the people who care the most about guns’ legitimate uses, harbor no desire to use them violently, and are the ones at risk of losing rights and property.
 
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First thing that hit my mind is that yesterday, a boy and his father found out that Mom wasn't coming home. I never liked Alex Baldwin and don't watch anything he is in; and no matter how stupid or leftist he is, he now has to live and re-live the horror of taking a life. And it will be on his mind every day no matter what they do to him.
 
Knotwild said:
First thing that hit my mind is that yesterday, a boy and his father found out that Mom wasn't coming home. I never liked Alex Baldwin and don't watch anything he is in; and no matter how stupid or leftist he is, he now has to live and re-live the horror of taking a life. And it will be on his mind every day no matter what they do to him.
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You assume he has a conscience, but like most in Hollywood he is all about himself. He has had violent encounters before triggered by his rage.
 
I have to wonder why there is any live ammo on a movie set.

If you want it to go bang, use a blank. If you want to show the business end of a revolver, use an inert round with no primer or powder.

Pretty sure that most of us here have inert rounds on our reloading benches to set the seating die.
 
I won't defend Baldwin, won't particularly blame him either. This event was not related to any other event in his life.

Honestly this has three players involved. The armorer, the actor who fired and the producer/director, whoever it was that set up the scene.

Most of us here have taken a person to the range. If you load the weapon, you're the armorer, if you set up the shot, you're the producer/director.

If something goes wrong, who do you blame?

In this case Baldwin was two of the three, I'm not 100% sure Baldwin the shooter is as much to blame as Baldwin the producer/director.

I know range rules reasonably well, don't have a clue what hollywood set rules are and where the buck stops.
 
You have to wonder if a live round was intentionally placed to cause harm, a disgruntled whoever. Alec Baldwin broke a bunch of rules no doubt, didn’t check the gun for live ammo and somehow pulled the trigger when the gun was pointed at someone, thats a big no no as we all know. Tragic a life was lost. I’m sure they will spin in an anti gun sort of way but if you have any common sense at all it’s pretty easy to see the gun is not at fault.
 
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