Alec Baldwin Case Status

[KMart]

Read somewhere that the gun had a modified trigger installed and the FBI was actually able to get it to fire without a trigger pull.

Who, at this point in time, can believe anything coming out of the FBI? They have no credibility.

 

[D-4297]

Really saddened to see this happen . I can only imagine what the reaction to something like this happening to a average person , rather than one of the Ultra-Left Anti-Gun Hater Liberals . These Nut-jobs hate guns . Rail constantly against guns , yet make their Millions off of Guns , while negligently handling one , and killing another human being . Then ; have the gall to attempt to blame the Gun ? The only word I can use to describe Baldwin is COWARD !

 

[M-61]

Read somewhere that the gun had a modified trigger installed and the FBI was actually able to get it to fire without a trigger pull.
Is this something you would do for fast fanning?

If you remove the sear on the trigger, the trigger is no longer functional for anything. Therefore cocking the hammer and letting it fall, the round fires.
To fan a SAA (Colt owners manual advices not to so as this could cause damage to the pistol) (I’m quoting Colt) one merely keeps the trigger depressed. Then fan away. Wire tying the trigger back does the same thing.
I hope the FBI didn’t spend too much of MY money figuring this out.
This whole shit show is not a federal crime so why involve them anyway.

 

[M-61]

I think there is a while raft of issues surrounding the choice of armorer and the performance of that job.

You bet.
Pisses me off they call this person an armorer. The person hiring a totally unqualified person should also be held responsible.

 

[Xerothermic]

Don’t like Baldwin, in fact based on his public persona I dislike him, but I agree with this. The armorer is supposed to make the set a safe place. I don’t see the criminal action here. That said, as a producer he should bear civil responsibility. I think there is a while raft of issues surrounding the choice of armorer and the performance of that job.

The words in bold are very true.

I equate this to Russell Crowe, in Gladiator, pulling a sword from a scabbard and accidentally chopping someone's head off during rehearsal. He thinks the sword is a prop and harmless. He did wield the sword but killed out of ignorance of the sword being real. The comparison is weak, but I think the point is obvious.

Baldwin did pull the trigger but should nowhere bear the brunt of the responsibility for this tragic event. He is an actor, like Crowe, and they are paid to recreate a scene from a script. The armorers, as stated above, sole responsibility is to see that he does that safely when it comes to weapons.

This should be a learning experience for Baldwin and the industry as a whole.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I wonder if a scene where the gun is pointed at baldwin got slipped in there now?

 

[skeeljc]

Baldwin was just an actor following the director's direction. He does not have "gun sense". He probably thumb cocked the hammer while his index finger was depressing the trigger and his thumb slipped off of the hammer spur when it reached full cock. That will fire the gun.

I do not believe Baldwin has responsibility for the accident. The armorer has the top level responsibility and then the assistant director but he already took a plea.

 

[KMart]

The armorer is supposed to make the set a safe place.

What I am about to say probably applies to all of you that own a business or are in charge of working people. I worked in the chemical/refining business for 40 years. It was always preached to us that safety is not one persons responsibility, it is EVERYBODY'S responsibility. All it takes is one person going off the rail and makes a stupid decision or loses focus and things goes sideways

 

[rwj]

Baldwin was just an actor following the director's direction. He does not have "gun sense". He probably thumb cocked the hammer while his index finger was depressing the trigger and his thumb slipped off of the hammer spur when it reached full cock. That will fire the gun.

I do not believe Baldwin has responsibility for the accident. The armorer has the top level responsibility and then the assistant director but he already took a plea.

We learned a very different set of gun handling rules…

 

[Rocketvapor]

1, Point in a safe direction, unless you are filming a gun fight per the Directors instructions.
2. Always treat a gun like it's loaded, meaning no fake shots in a movie.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger, Especially a modified Peacemaker, or a Sig.
4. Be sure of your target, like an expensive movie camera with a real person sitting behind the camera.

Seems the only way for a prop gun to be handed over safely is to hand it over UNLOADED and the next person verify all chambers are empty. When handed to the actor, load required dummies, rattle rounds, and blanks in view of the final set of hands.

That probably applies to semi autos used in films and all magazines as well.
Empty mags loaded at the last minute, by the actor, not left lying around.
Might have a live round in one of the mags.

 

[skeeljc]

We learned a very different set of gun handling rules…

1, Point in a safe direction, unless you are filming a gun fight per the Directors instructions.
2. Always treat a gun like it's loaded, meaning no fake shots in a movie.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger, Especially a modified Peacemaker, or a Sig.
4. Be sure of your target, like an expensive movie camera with a real person sitting behind the camera.

Seems the only way for a prop gun to be handed over safely is to hand it over UNLOADED and the next person verify all chambers are empty. When handed to the actor, load required dummies, rattle rounds, and blanks in view of the final set of hands.

That probably applies to semi autos used in films and all magazines as well.
Empty mags loaded at the last minute, by the actor, not left lying around.
Might have a live round in one of the mags.

Alex Baldwin had zero gun handling education. He never concerned himself with how to handle a firearm safely. Safe gun handling is something he did not care about. After all, he was making a movie, what could go wrong?

 

[JFrank]

Shouldn’t there be a film clip of the incident ? I mean that’s what they are doing right ?

 

[rebs]

money will get you out of anything you do wrong

 

[762willdo]

On a completely unrelated note governor newsoms presidential campaign received a million dollar donation from an anonymous source…..

 

[drop_point]

1, Point in a safe direction, unless you are filming a gun fight per the Directors instructions.
2. Always treat a gun like it's loaded, meaning no fake shots in a movie.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger, Especially a modified Peacemaker, or a Sig.
4. Be sure of your target, like an expensive movie camera with a real person sitting behind the camera.

Seems the only way for a prop gun to be handed over safely is to hand it over UNLOADED and the next person verify all chambers are empty. When handed to the actor, load required dummies, rattle rounds, and blanks in view of the final set of hands.

That probably applies to semi autos used in films and all magazines as well.
Empty mags loaded at the last minute, by the actor, not left lying around.
Might have a live round in one of the mags.

Maybe they should take all guns out of movies and these anti-gun jerks could stop profiting off the items they preach against.

 

[XTR]

Semantics. There is no manslaughter charge in the Good Book.

No, it says “thou shalt not kill” in a few ways in a few places, at least that’s the current English translation, but we send our military out to do just that, and then we have the whole capital punishment debate. Thankfully we don’t live in a theocracy.

What I am about to say probably applies to all of you that own a business or are in charge of working people. I worked in the chemical/refining business for 40 years. It was always preached to us that safety is not one persons responsibility, it is EVERYBODY'S responsibility. All it takes is one person going off the rail and makes a stupid decision or loses focus and things goes sideways

I too come from a safety background. Safety is everyone’s responsibility; however, there are limits. It’s not the worker’s responsibility to verify calibration on a multi gas before entering an area if the techs say it’s good. It’s the tech’s responsibility to use the appropriate equipment, and the worker’s responsibility to review and understand the surveys. It’s not the responsibility of every person on the job to physically verify the tags on every piece of rigging in a lift, that is on the riggers. At some point one must rely on people to do their job.

As for gun safety on set. If you think about it for a minute, these are suppose to be props, not firearms, they get handled like my kids handle nerf guns. Filming by its nature will require them to be pointed in what we would consider an “unsafe” manner in a range environment. That is where the armorer’s responsibility lies.

 

[farmerjohn]

I pretty much boycott all of them.

As do I, swore I was going to keep quiet on this one, lost that bet. As an old Uncle of mine used to say "IT AIN'T RIGHT, AND ON TOP OF THAT, IT'S WRONG!!!... John

 

[drop_point]

No, it says “thou shalt not kill” in a few ways in a few places, at least that’s the current English translation, but we send our military out to do just that, and then we have the whole capital punishment debate. Thankfully we don’t live in a theocracy.

No, it doesn't say "Thou Shalt not kill". It says "Thou Shalt not murder." As much as it pains you to accept, our entire existence as a nation was based on religious doctrine. Seems we've been on a downward spiral ever since we abandoned that. But hey, if you think things are going great now, it says a lot.

 

[rwj]

Alex Baldwin had zero gun handling education.

Then he never should have been allowed to handle one. If you want to say it was the armorer’s responsibility, that logic leads to no one being accountable for anything… kinda like our society has become eh?

 

[358WCF]

Charges were dropped without prejudice. That means they can be refiled at a future date. The investigation is supposedly still ongoing & new info came to light. The prosecution wouldn't have been finished checking on it by the trial date, so Alec still may be on the hook.

I read this somewhere this AM... maybe on Breitbart but am too lazy to look for the link.