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Action truing, fact or fiction?

Ray,

There's a lot to say about it. I think I'm going to start a new thread dedicated to that tonight. Please stay tuned. Jay Christopherson and I have spent a lot of time back and forth on this and I am sure he will give some constructive information.

JS
 
jscandale said:
Ray,

There's a lot to say about it. I think I'm going to start a new thread dedicated to that tonight. Please stay tuned. Jay Christopherson and I have spent a lot of time back and forth on this and I am sure he will give some constructive information.

JS

I would appreciate a thread on the TBAS, I had a good talk with Nathan about the system but I decided that I will have to do a few more rifle before adding one but I think it would add something to my system.
 
Js, When using the True bore Alignment system is there any need to use the tail stock? May sound like a dumb question .

I found a YouTube video on it,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFiLbeeZBx8

Ray
 
jscandale said:
Well, when you are on your 30th year, let me know...we'll look back at this and I guarantee that you will have a different view on a few things. But for now, peace out brutha!

JS

JS, the truth is that if you and I sat down, had a few cold ones, and started talking about barrel chambering we would more likely learn from each other.

Take care keep on keeping on.
 
Erik,

I can learn from anyone and would love to get the chance to share a cold one with ya. I just truly believe that you are a much better man that you may sometimes let people believe by some of the posts. I realize that sometimes inflections are generated in writing that can not always be conveyed by an in person meeting. I also believe that it sometimes happens here. I also think that we collectively have all been guilty of saying things on a forum that maybe should stay in our heads. I can certainly think of a few of my own that I wish never got out, but that's neither here nor there....
We just move on and hope for the best, cause I am always being reminded how short life is...AMEN!

JS
 
If I may put this into a perspective:


If we want to go drag racing-say pro stock for instance. Before that car even comes off the trailer it better put around 1300hp at the flywheel. Otherwise forget it.

Now, if your a dedicated racer with deep pockets, you can dump another quarter million or so into R/D and maybe find another 15 to 20 hp that others don't have. In any other form of competition that small of a number is rather insignificant. It wouldn't do you much of anything on a road course because of the increased demand for pristine setup on chassis, etc.

But were drag racing and so long as you catch a good light, the other guy is going to be staring at your chutes all weekend.


How this applies to guns:

The important thing to consider here is the 1300 hp you needed to justify pulling the tie downs loose. With a precision rifle that begins with a premium barrel that is fitted by someone who understands accurate gunmaking.

Period. Anyone that even suggests otherwise is best avoided.

Your bedding, action work, lapping, ammo, optics, shooter, etc.....


....that's your extra 20hp buddy.

Doubt it?

Take the worlds most wizz bang action from any shooting discipline you want. Now screw on a factory barrel straight from any mainstream volume based gun company. Whatcha got? A turd of a gun with chrome valve covers, a big wing on the back, and an exhaust can that'll shoot grapefruits out of it.

Take a turd receiver and fit up a premium barrel and chances are the rifle will shoot well. Take the time to do all the other stuff and it'll likely be exceptional.

Keep the lipstick out of the pig pen!


Chad Dixon
LongRifles, Inc.
 
Im definitely not a gunsmith, but I'm willing to bet a majority of the people on here have not a clue how small .0001 is, and how easily metal properties and characteristics change due to stress, heat or a combination of both.

John
 
John11-87 said:
Im definitely not a gunsmith, but I'm willing to bet a majority of the people on here have not a clue how small .0001 is, and how easily metal properties and characteristics change due to stress, heat or a combination of both.

John
Brother, you just said it all!

JS
 
John11-87 said:
Im definitely not a gunsmith, but I'm willing to bet a majority of the people on here have not a clue how small .0001 is, and how easily metal properties and characteristics change due to stress, heat or a combination of both.

John

.0001 is pretty small. I'd say in an inch there must be a million of 'em. :-\
 
hogpatrol said:
John11-87 said:
Im definitely not a gunsmith, but I'm willing to bet a majority of the people on here have not a clue how small .0001 is, and how easily metal properties and characteristics change due to stress, heat or a combination of both.

John

.0001 is pretty small. I'd say in an inch there must be a million of 'em. :-\

At least 10,000 of them ::)

John
 
John11-87 said:
Im definitely not a gunsmith, but I'm willing to bet a majority of the people on here have not a clue how small .0001 is, and how easily metal properties and characteristics change due to stress, heat or a combination of both.

John

What's your point? I'm guessing that is how Savage does so much business..


Ray
 
Ray,
.0001"=One ten thousandths of an inch.
Human head hair averages .0035"=three & 1/2 thousandths.

Simple math equates to .0001"X 35=.0035"

Let's take the measurement 1 more digit-
.00001"=One hundred thousandths of an inch.

Would .00001"be mechanically measureable- NO -electronically- YES.

Do your finger prints on a part equate a value to a (.0001")ten thousandth of an inch measurement-you bet!
How long are you holding the part?
What is the ambient temp where you are testing?
What is the relative humidity where you are testing?

Is the friction sleeve of your mic w/in industry standard?
Is the ratchet mechanism of your mic w/in industry standard?

Variables,Variables,Variables!!
 
That is shooting in a hole, eliminating the variables... I am not arguing your point, I understand that one needs a lab type environment to get honest measurements..That kind of thorough wouldn't be very cost effective when building rifles or expected.. One can only due there best at eliminating the variables, I guess there should be a warning on all indicators..

Ray
 

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