Accuracy from factory Win M70s?

[MQ1]

I have a .270WSM, which is the short action, modern pre-64 Classic action.

I would buy a new .300WSM in a heartbeat if it shot half as good as my .270WSM

i don't know why you'd really want to try and open the boltface on an old, true pre-64 30-06 action when you could buy a modern version specific made for the WSM.

MQ1

 

[Catfur]

IMO some of the best factory hunting rifles are the FNH PBR type rifles with DBM.

What does "FNH", "PBR" and "DBM" mean?

No idea on the last two.

FNH is FN Herstal. Or Fabrique Nationale d'Arms d'Guerre, Herstal, Belgique.

 

[yenak]

I have two FN's also 223 & 308. 1/2 MOA out of the box, with my reloads of course.

 

[jawjaboy]

I have two FN's also 223 & 308. 1/2 MOA out of the box, with my reloads of course.

I have a SC made FN M70 Super Grade 270 Win and it will do the same.

 

[M14AMU]

I bought a lefty in M70 a few years back and out of the box it wouldn't hit DUE EAST!

When I got finished with it......no problem!!

 

[CaptainMal]

Back in the 90's I bought a total of 5 Model 70's in different calibers. Still have and use four of them. Great guns and all with the BOSS tuner-brake system. They all have some kind of silicone bedding material around the action inletting. Kind of crazy to look at when you take one apart. Work well. They all were easy to tune and all shoot super nice for hunting rifles.

Triggers look simple and they are. Very easy to adjust with no issues. If you can find one today, get it.

 

[XTR]

I have a .270WSM, which is the short action, modern pre-64 Classic action.

I would buy a new .300WSM in a heartbeat if it shot half as good as my .270WSM

i don't know why you'd really want to try and open the boltface on an old, true pre-64 30-06 action when you could buy a modern version specific made for the WSM.

MQ1

Wasn't thinking about opening the bolt on a pre-64, I was thinking about buying a new 06 (or that size action) and rebarreling to 300WSM to get the long action to be able to feed properly seated heavy bullets.

 

[MQ1]

Ahhh...i catch your drift now.

MQ1

 

[dryhumor]

300WSM might feed better from a push feed in a long action.

 

[riflewoman]

Pre 64 model 70 were never known for accuracy . 721 and 700 Remington always shot better. Back then 2'' at 100 was good. The difference between them now. A 85% Remington brings $600 Pre 64 85 % model 70 can bring $2000. Bedded $ 1000. re barred $1000 . Custom grade $3500 Plus.
If you bore scoped you wouldn't buy. After 64 shoot good some even very good. I have two that my FFL dealer has I 'm trying to make shoot. They both need bedded a trigger job and a longer COAL. or a new Barrel..
Because of their value Bullet change and powder is the only thing I can do. My advice don't buy one for accuracy. Buy it for the value they go up yearly. Larry

This is not my experience at all with both Remington and Winchester rifles of the post war (1950-1964) era. Both shot as well as each other. Remingtons were NOT more accurate than Winchesters. Both needed to be bedded and Remington's were far easier to bed correctly for the average village idiot. That is the only advantage Remington's have.

 

[savagedasher]

Pre 64 model 70 were never known for accuracy . 721 and 700 Remington always shot better. Back then 2'' at 100 was good. The difference between them now. A 85% Remington brings $600 Pre 64 85 % model 70 can bring $2000. Bedded $ 1000. re barred $1000 . Custom grade $3500 Plus.
If you bore scoped you wouldn't buy. After 64 shoot good some even very good. I have two that my FFL dealer has I 'm trying to make shoot. They both need bedded a trigger job and a longer COAL. or a new Barrel..
Because of their value Bullet change and powder is the only thing I can do. My advice don't buy one for accuracy. Buy it for the value they go up yearly. Larry

This is not my experience at all with both Remington and Winchester rifles of the post war (1950-1964) era. Both shot as well as each other. Remingtons were NOT more accurate than Winchesters. Both needed to be bedded and Remington's were far easier to bed correctly for the average village idiot. That is the only advantage Remington's have.

The 721 Remington barrels are button made not hammer forged like the 700 are.
Pre 64 Winchester barrel were hammer forged. I never seen a 721 that didn't shoot ok. Comparing on age only all the 721 have shot better then Winchester's. They out shoot the 700 also. Larry

 

[savagedasher]

Larry -

Hammer forging is done when making the barrel, not when rifling.
I've never seen a factory Winchester that didn't have a forged barrel.
And agree with you, they appeared to be button-rifling.
D

Check on how Winchester barrels were made they always hammer forged the rifling. Larry

 

[dmoran]

Check on how Winchester barrels were made they always hammer forged the rifling. Larry

Check on how Remington barrels are made. They rifle the forged blank.
I agreed with you, that 721's may appear as button-rifling also.
And yes, I've never seen a factory Winchester that didn't have a forged barrel.

 

[riflewoman]

The misinformation on this site is astounding.

 

[Eddie Harren]

There are many "Ministers of dis-information" on this and every other shooting sight.

 

[JRS]

Larry -

Hammer forging is done when making the barrel, not when rifling.
I've never seen a factory Winchester that didn't have a forged barrel.
And agree with you, they appeared to be button-rifling.
D

Wrong

Also - all Remington standard production rifles and shotgun barrels are produced via the hammer forging process.

 

[LHSmith]

Uh Oh.....class is now in session.

 

[Jammer Six]

The things posted on the internet as fact amaze me.

I used to laugh at them, but I've posted some pretty spectacular mistakes myself.

These days, when I don't know anything about the subject, I try to avoid posting.

 

[M99]

A pre-'64 Mod. 70 is widely considered to be the "gold standard" for quality but I'd sure want to have any 50+ year-old barrel gauged before I dropped a hunk of "tin" buying it. Yesterday, my shooting buddy hauled his father's pre-'64 Mod. 70 (.22 Hornet) out to the range to check the sighting. He couldn't get it on paper because something seemed wrong with the old Weaver scope and/or the Redfield mounts. So, I can't tell you how it shot.

Jees Wade. What are you planning to hunt? Unless you are going to make it an avocation, I'll loan you one of my hunting rifles. I've got a 25-06 pre- '64 Win that shoots really well out to about 300 for soft skin animals. My light rifle is actually a Ruger 8 Mag that I have shot about 300 African game animals with, and my Heavy rifle is a Ruger .458 that has kept me alive for years. Hunting rifles don't take anywhere near the work our comp guns do to be what we need.

 

[boltman13]

I have owned 2 Winchester Model 70'sover the years. The first was a pre 64 feather weight my father bought in the late 190's in 243 Win. He killed 2 mule deer and 2 antelope with it in Wyoming with 4 shots using Win 100 gr Power Point factory amo. I could never get it to shoot sub 1 MOA but did find a load with 100 gr Sierra Gamekings that would do 1.25 MOA. I finally sold it for a large chunk of money. My second is a very late model from New Haven in 300 WSM. It is not very good looking, with sloppy fit and finish, and a flimsy plastic stock, but it puts 180 gr Barnes TS into 1.25 MOA at 3,025 fps. That's more than adequate for the kind of elk hunting I do. I am 0.015" off the rifling and the rounds fit into my magazine, and chamber flawlessly. I do not think you need a long actin to use the 300 WSM for hunting. If you go to 200 gr or greater weight bullets you will probably begin to give up powder space, but short of that a short action should work fine. Best of luck.