Accuracy from factory Win M70s?

[Eddie Harren]

Some folks need to watch this.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hammer+forging+barrels&view=detail&qpvt=hammer+forging+barrels&mid=3839C68919182FF5E4583839C68919182FF5E458

 

[LHSmith]

^^^^^LOL " this method produces perfect rifling made precisely the right size with a super smooth finish" ........Yep, they're all HUMMERS. :......(until the 2nd shot).

 

[Eddie Harren]

Smitty, I posted that link not to glorify Ruger barrels but, to illustrate that a few of the board "Experts" should watch the video and learn how forged barrels are made. Many of the replies above indicate that some are grossly ignorant of the process.

 

[riflewoman]

The reason button rifled barrels have the reputation for accuracy is tat they are made in the boutique shops (Hart, PacNor Shilen etc). Since their production rate is slower the hammer forging they can be more meticulous in the process. They can afford to be. Remington,Winchester, Ruger and all the other makers use hammer forging because of the production rate. The Soviets bought GFM machinery to increase their production rate and there was a CIA report about it. So the production benefits over other ruled barrel making are substantial.

The 40X rifles are built in the custom shop and many of those are built using stainless barrels which don't hammer forge very well.

All that apsaid hammer forged barrels can be very accurate. Since the 1970s virtually all the 700 BDL varmint rifles have used hammer forged barrels and a goodly number of those shoot very well indeed.

 

[LHSmith]

Smitty, I posted that link not to glorify Ruger barrels but, to illustrate that a few of the board "Experts" should watch the video and learn how forged barrels are made. Many of the replies above indicate that some are grossly ignorant of the process.

Yes, I knew someone would correct the dis-information....I just had to jump on the "sales hype" given in the video. Really surprised the resident professor emeritus didn't give the tutorial

 

[JRS]

Smitty, I posted that link not to glorify Ruger barrels but, to illustrate that a few of the board "Experts" should watch the video and learn how forged barrels are made. Many of the replies above indicate that some are grossly ignorant of the process.

Yes, I knew someone would correct the dis-information....I just had to jump on the "sales hype" given in the video. Really surprised the resident professor emeritus didn't give the tutorial

With the information provided, there was no reason for him to respond ;D Actually, you are knowledgeable enough to handle it quite admirably

 

[Eddie Harren]

Thank you, Professor Emeritus.

 

[JRS]

Thank you, Professor Emeritus.

The honor is much appreciated. However, I didn't teach. Once the degree was framed under glass, I retired

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I just gotta wonder at this point what difference does it make? I could care less if they used a mutant metal eating termite to rifle a factory barrel. If it shoots- good. If not you knew it needed replacing anyway. Or go kill some deers with it- they dont give a hoot if its torch burnished or chiseled.

 

[jim_k]

I'm kinda sort of in the market for another hunting rifle (I haven't bought anything since May) and I'm really looking at Win M70s for a new to me hunting rifle.

My interests are in rifles from the early 50s and before or the newer versions either from SC or Portugal. Probably looking at an -06 esp if it's a Pre64.

Who out there has experience with them? How well do they shoot? I'm going to guess that with hand loads you can surely get sub MOA at 200 yds or so, but how much better? Or is that not achievable?

If you can find a Win 70 Classic Sporter in .30-'06 of any age (although I like the relatively newer ones such as from the '60's and onward), I think you will most likely have a rifle that exceeds your specifications. I have worked on one. I bedded it, and lapped the barrel, and it is one of the most accurate rifles I have seen. Easily shoots handloads under 1/2" for 5 shots at 100 yards. Owner has never missed a gong out to 750 yards. He has also never missed a deer, or used a second shot, but that's just him.

 

[Vinootz]

The new Model 70s are as good or better than Pre64. I’m Getting the Super Maple in 30-06. Absolutely beautiful rifle.

 

[cuznguido]

The reason button rifled barrels have the reputation for accuracy is tat they are made in the boutique shops (Hart, PacNor Shilen etc). Since their production rate is slower the hammer forging they can be more meticulous in the process. They can afford to be. Remington,Winchester, Ruger and all the other makers use hammer forging because of the production rate. The Soviets bought GFM machinery to increase their production rate and there was a CIA report about it. So the production benefits over other ruled barrel making are substantial.

The 40X rifles are built in the custom shop and many of those are built using stainless barrels which don't hammer forge very well.

All that apsaid hammer forged barrels can be very accurate. Since the 1970s virtually all the 700 BDL varmint rifles have used hammer forged barrels and a goodly number of those shoot very well indeed.

I am reading these things and wondering why so many are confusing how the rifling is cut and how the barrels are made. I could be a real wiseass and say even Savage claims that yheir barrels are button cut, but then maybe I am confused on that too.

 

[FNSafari]

Here is a brand new model 70 straight off the brown truck from a distributor i got in a few weeks ago for a friend of a customer. 7wsm i believe. I got it in to mount a scope. When i opened the bolt it looked like hair growing off the end so i snapped this pic. This gun was unusable in its factory state due to poor quality control. That is bluing salts that were not neutralized. Instead of sending it back he just wanted a new barrel since he needed it to hunt. Sad sad day for winchester whoever they are these days.

Speaking about bluing salts, I bought an Guiliani trigger for my Perazzi shotgun, one with the barrel selector. My MX8 had a selectable trigger but the selector was inside the action so you had to remove the trigger to flick it. It came from Giacomo's. I sent it to my gunsmith, he disassembled it and found the lockwork slightly corroded....they failed to remove the bluing salts or all of it. No idea why they would blue it all assembled, perhaps it was used and they wanted to dress it up. Anywhy, it works fine now. Key is to find someone who knows what the heck they are doing.

 

[FNSafari]

My 1953 featherweight M70 .308 Win will shoot three into 1"-1.25" from a cold barrel.

 

[3Ackleys]

The new Model 70s are as good or better than Pre64. I’m Getting the Super Maple in 30-06. Absolutely beautiful rifle.

Are you talking the "new" m70's when this thread started 8 years ago?