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80.5 Berger Fullbore Seating Depth

I have been trying 24.5 of Varget and reloader 15 at .005 off the lands with out much success. They chrono grafted at 2700. Do you think I am using too much powder?
I've had pretty good luck seating the 80.5s at .012" off the lands in .223 Rem. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that seating depths that have worked for myself or anyone else responding to this thread will be optimal in your specific setup. I would suggest testing the 80.5s at seating depths from .003" off to .030" off in .003 " increments. I'd be very surprised if you didn't find an optimal seating depth window within that range.

However, if that somehow does not provide the precision you're after, I would then go back and try seating them from "touching" to .009" into the lands, again using .003" increments. I'd rather not have to seat a bullet into the lands unless it's absolutely necessary (i.e. it won't shoot anywhere else), especially a tangent ogive design like the 80.5 Fullbore bullet. Nonetheless, it is not uncommon for .224 heavy bullets to tune in from around .003" to .007" or so into the lands if they don't seem to want to shoot jumped (off the lands). Some of the downside(s) to seating bullets into the lands include that the optimal window may be much narrower than for jumped bullets, the initial pressure spike may be increased, you may have issues dumping powder into the action if you ever need to open the bolt and extract an unfired round, and you may need to "chase the lands" pretty rigorously in order to maintain peak precision.

With respect to your question about whether 24.5 gr Varget is too much powder, no one here can answer that question definitively without a lot more information about your load and specific setup. You obviously chose the 24.5 gr charge weight, so what made you decide on that specific charge weight? My point is that I'm assuming you must have previously had a good reason to believe that 24.5 gr was an optimized charge weight. Has anything changed that would alter your opinion on that? If yes, then you should probably be starting from scratch with a new load development. Piecemeal selection of charge weight and/or seating depth is not a good approach. It requires a LOT of luck to work, and luck is not something we should really ever need or count on during the load development process. A well-structured and rigorous incremental approach to the reloading process is usually more than sufficient to identify a stable load that shoots well. In fact, I would consider it the exception rather than the rule when such an approach fails to deliver. My point is that if you're unsure whether your charge weight is optimal, then it probably isn't. Starting over with the load development won't hurt anything, and may ultimately provide better results than simply trying to find a better seating depth optimum using what might be a sub-optimal charge weight. If you're not sure whether the charge weight is optimnal, fix that issue first. Then do your due diligence with seating depth and you ought to end up with a load that shoots very well.
 
Hello all. I’m messing around with some 80.5gr Fullbores in a 1-7T 22BR with .049 Freebore. I’ve tested everything from .010 off to .070 off in .005 increments and have not found anything great. At .040-.045 off I’m hovering around 0.5” or so. I’m very limited on components (like most) so I don’t have the chance to try any other powders, primers, or bullets. I’m running IMR 4895, Lapua brass, and Winchester #41 primers. Is there any seating depths you guys have found where this bullet shines? Thanks
Although I’m using H4350, my 22br preferred .010” into the rifling. .005-.030” off the lands showed very little promise.
 
I've had pretty good luck seating the 80.5s at .012" off the lands in .223 Rem. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that seating depths that have worked for myself or anyone else responding to this thread will be optimal in your specific setup. I would suggest testing the 80.5s at seating depths from .003" off to .030" off in .003 " increments. I'd be very surprised if you didn't find an optimal seating depth window within that range.

However, if that somehow does not provide the precision you're after, I would then go back and try seating them from "touching" to .009" into the lands, again using .003" increments. I'd rather not have to seat a bullet into the lands unless it's absolutely necessary (i.e. it won't shoot anywhere else), especially a tangent ogive design like the 80.5 Fullbore bullet. Nonetheless, it is not uncommon for .224 heavy bullets to tune in from around .003" to .007" or so into the lands if they don't seem to want to shoot jumped (off the lands). Some of the downside(s) to seating bullets into the lands include that the optimal window may be much narrower than for jumped bullets, the initial pressure spike may be increased, you may have issues dumping powder into the action if you ever need to open the bolt and extract an unfired round, and you may need to "chase the lands" pretty rigorously in order to maintain peak precision.

With respect to your question about whether 24.5 gr Varget is too much powder, no one here can answer that question definitively without a lot more information about your load and specific setup. You obviously chose the 24.5 gr charge weight, so what made you decide on that specific charge weight? My point is that I'm assuming you must have previously had a good reason to believe that 24.5 gr was an optimized charge weight. Has anything changed that would alter your opinion on that? If yes, then you should probably be starting from scratch with a new load development. Piecemeal selection of charge weight and/or seating depth is not a good approach. It requires a LOT of luck to work, and luck is not something we should really ever need or count on during the load development process. A well-structured and rigorous incremental approach to the reloading process is usually more than sufficient to identify a stable load that shoots well. In fact, I would consider it the exception rather than the rule when such an approach fails to deliver. My point is that if you're unsure whether your charge weight is optimal, then it probably isn't. Starting over with the load development won't hurt anything, and may ultimately provide better results than simply trying to find a better seating depth optimum using what might be a sub-optimal charge weight. If you're not sure whether the charge weight is optimnal, fix that issue first. Then do your due diligence with seating depth and you ought to end up with a load that shoots very well.
I decided on 24.5 since that is a charge I worked up to, but didn't go any further
 
I decided on 24.5 since that is a charge I worked up to, but didn't go any further
Yes, that's what I figured. So why are you now thinking it might be too much? In other words, what have you observed that has led you to think you might need to back off a bit on the charge weight? In any event, the 80.5 Fullbore is an excellent design, and seems to be fairly tolerant of seating depth, probably due to the tangent ogive. Whether you re-work the charge weight or not, I think you might find a solid seating depth window somewhere between touching and .030" off the lands.
 
I may have missed it but there has been no mention of barrel length. I tried using that bullet for 1000 yard Palma and F TR shooting using a 30" 7Twist barrel. When I loaded them hot enough to stay supersonic at 1000 yards, I had problems with bullets blowing up and unexplained fliers. Conventional "wisdom" around the range held that the problem was high velocity and barrel duration with the 7" twist.

Something to think about. No problems in my 26-28 inch barrels.
 
I shoot them in 223 bolt guns and one loves them at .100 off and the other at .030 off. Both have shot clean relays at 600 and seem pretty stable with 24.4 of Varget.

If you decide to quit on them, I will dispose of any you have left .
 
I shoot them in 223 bolt guns and one loves them at .100 off and the other at .030 off. Both have shot clean relays at 600 and seem pretty stable with 24.4 of Varget.

If you decide to quit on them, I will dispose of any you have left .
what twist rate are your bolt guns?
I'll keep that in mind if I cant get them to shoot. lol
 
I've had pretty good luck seating the 80.5s at .012" off the lands in .223 Rem. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that seating depths that have worked for myself or anyone else responding to this thread will be optimal in your specific setup. I would suggest testing the 80.5s at seating depths from .003" off to .030" off in .003 " increments. I'd be very surprised if you didn't find an optimal seating depth window within that range.

However, if that somehow does not provide the precision you're after, I would then go back and try seating them from "touching" to .009" into the lands, again using .003" increments. I'd rather not have to seat a bullet into the lands unless it's absolutely necessary (i.e. it won't shoot anywhere else), especially a tangent ogive design like the 80.5 Fullbore bullet. Nonetheless, it is not uncommon for .224 heavy bullets to tune in from around .003" to .007" or so into the lands if they don't seem to want to shoot jumped (off the lands). Some of the downside(s) to seating bullets into the lands include that the optimal window may be much narrower than for jumped bullets, the initial pressure spike may be increased, you may have issues dumping powder into the action if you ever need to open the bolt and extract an unfired round, and you may need to "chase the lands" pretty rigorously in order to maintain peak precision.

With respect to your question about whether 24.5 gr Varget is too much powder, no one here can answer that question definitively without a lot more information about your load and specific setup. You obviously chose the 24.5 gr charge weight, so what made you decide on that specific charge weight? My point is that I'm assuming you must have previously had a good reason to believe that 24.5 gr was an optimized charge weight. Has anything changed that would alter your opinion on that? If yes, then you should probably be starting from scratch with a new load development. Piecemeal selection of charge weight and/or seating depth is not a good approach. It requires a LOT of luck to work, and luck is not something we should really ever need or count on during the load development process. A well-structured and rigorous incremental approach to the reloading process is usually more than sufficient to identify a stable load that shoots well. In fact, I would consider it the exception rather than the rule when such an approach fails to deliver. My point is that if you're unsure whether your charge weight is optimal, then it probably isn't. Starting over with the load development won't hurt anything, and may ultimately provide better results than simply trying to find a better seating depth optimum using what might be a sub-optimal charge weight. If you're not sure whether the charge weight is optimnal, fix that issue first. Then do your due diligence with seating depth and you ought to end up with a load that shoots very well.
The reason for 24.5 of varget is because I started loading at 24.1 and went up in tenth grains increments and the 24.5 was the best group seated at 70 off the lands. I have 100 Lapua cases that have a donut so I want to load longer so the bullet doesn't get into the donut. That is why I want to find a longer seating depth.
 
For me I have had excellent results with the 80.5 Fullbore bullets in a 223 bolt gun at .020 Off but only really small groups with IMR 4064. In my 30-06 the 155,5 Fullbores also shoot really good at .120' off. I have a lot of freebore with that bullet in that rifle so I just seated them where the bottom of the bullet was at the top of the powder column and all the bearing surface was in the neck.They don't have much bearing surface so runout can be a problem for some people with the 155.5 bullets. But I really like them.
 
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Thank you. My groups look just like yours. When I ordered these bullets everyone was saying how forgiving they were and how well they shot. And I haven’t seen that so far. Maybe it’s my barrel, maybe it’s me, maybe it’s the component combination. I don’t know, but I haven’t struggled this hard before with a custom barrel and a Berger bullet. I’ll try .003-.009 off the lands next and see how that looks. Thank you

You should not be going much faster than 2850 with a 7 twist. Above thaf it will shoot poorly with a 7 twist.

2750 would be closer to ideal.
 

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