ttfreestyle
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Just have a ppc vs br shootout. Say 10 guys shooting Ppc and 10 on the br going head to head and settle this 
6mm BR vs 6mm PPC for 100-300 yd
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We have something close at a lot of UBR matches. Several different chamberings, classes and no excuses. It's fun! 22ppc's, 6ppc's, 6BR's, 6 Grendels, 30 Majors and BR's, as well as a few Beggs, 6 and 220.Just have a ppc vs br shootout. Say 10 guys shooting Ppc and 10 on the br going head to head and settle this
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ttfreestyle
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Close but still not ppc vs br only on same relays.
Sure it is, with some others thrown in. Do you mean, ONLY BR's and PPC's, nothing else? That might take some work and I'm against anyone that is testing something else, stopping their testing for one match. Myself anyway. IMO, it takes years to prove something to be truly competitive. A single match means little.
JEFFPPC
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Lol, ask sdean I think he brought it up. While we are at it, nice target on your avatar Tim. I ailways thought there should be some kind of credit if your group is all tens. After all, the idea of a firearm is to hit something.
Yes, thank you...and I agree.
R.Morehouse
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When you are shooting SR group, your target IS your 1st shot........
JEFFPPC
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There's one in every group, lol.When you are shooting SR group, your target IS your 1st shot........
Tim Singleton
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I think that is on the calendar for November 2021Just have a ppc vs br shootout. Say 10 guys shooting Ppc and 10 on the br going head to head and settle this
Just printed out my registration! But as I mentioned earlier..if the equipment list was accurate, there wasn't a single straight 6BR at this year's takdriver match. FWIW!
I look forward to it. I wish I'd had gone to this one but the family was hunting.. Opening weekend. Jim moved the date up a week next year.
Tough to plan anything this far out but if I can't make it, I guess Jim will get to keep my money and you all can split it up in the pot. Might get to even if I make it but I'll get to try, anyway.
And even if I win...this debate will go on. Of that, I'm sure!
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I didn't start a Tackdriver debate. It is what it is.. A short range match. If it was a 600 yd match probably be won by a different cartridge. Wayne probably show up with a 6br and win again. The original question was 100 to 300..Tackdriver was recent and 300 and won by a ppc. Connect the dots.
Wayne could show up shooting any cartridge he desires. The fact he shows with a ppc tells me something.
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boltman13
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At my Club we have unsanctioned Varmit for Score matches. The Range is usually very tricky wind wise. I compete with a no turn neck 6BR and several other shooters use a 6PPC. I can use heavier bullets 88 or 105 gr Bergers and can do better at 200 yards in tough conditions than the PPC's. Otherwise fagetaboutit.
Me too! He obviously feels like it is a very good cartridge. I've said those exact words. Again, I haven't knocked a PPC at all. Just stating the obvious unless someone just refuses to see it. Yes, it's good and yes, there are other good cartridges.
And, if we agree that Wayne or Jeff would've likely won with a 6BR, then we very much agree on everything I recall saying in this thread. In THAT match, it was way more about the shooter than any very small difference there may be between a ppc and a 6br. I think that applies for just about every match. The man or woman who screws up least, almost always wins with either cartridge! If someone blames the cartridge for their lack of performance in anything less than absolutely perfect conditions, they're fooling themselves. This doesn't apply to all calibers and quasimoto magnums but for a 6br, ppc, grendel and most anything within the br arena today. There are better powders, bullets, barrels and guns than others, but none of them place bullets where we want if we pull the trigger at the wrong time. It can be twisted any way one wants but unless you're perfect, you're gun is probably better than you..most days.
That brings up things like tunability. Lots of people believe a 6br is easier to tune and maintain tune with. I'm not saying that's true or not but I'd say based on my experience alone, it's mostly so. Keeping a gun tuned is just as much or more important than any aspect of this game and the best tuners also win a lot.
Barrel tuners don't make a perfectly tuned barrel more than perfectly tuned..perfect is perfect. But they help level the playing field of tuning a rifle to its potential and keeping it there. I'll say this and stop...I'd rather have a well tuned 6br than a half tuned ppc. There's just not that much difference between the cartridges and lots of people feel like a br is easier. So, even if a ppc is better, it's only better if you know how to keep it that way. Agg em' to death! I believe I've read that said by a rather good br shooter., by most people's standards.
There was one 6BR in the mix maybe more.
I don't doubt you but I didn't see it on the match report. Either way, it was 1 against how many? And who was shooting it? Even still, the best shooters still miss the tune or a switch on occasion.
What the op should take from all of this is that both are good cartridges. Learn to tune and shoot whatever you have and you'll win a lot with it.
It was Ron Prevatte and I think Kyle Brown was shooting a straight 6BR ; he was on the bench to the right of me.
JEFFPPC
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You are correct . Shows its a short range match. 6PPC would have been my choice also.
jackieschmidt
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I spent the better part of the Summer and Fall getting ready for the Tack Driver. My wife came down with a sudden illness and I was unable to make it.
I was testing several combinations. My HV 6BR shooting my own 103 grn bullets, the same Rifle with a 1-12 twist barrel shooting Barts 80 grn, My HV 30 BR, and my LV 6PPC Group Rifle.
I decided on the LV drop port 6PPC.
I did the majority of my practice at 200 yards. The 30BR and 6PPC were real close in agging capability, both capable of sub .200 gags. but I could shoot the PPC faster In the Group format, so I was going with it.
I tend to disagree with the statements about the top PPC shooters being able to win with something else, ie, a BR based Rifle. Of course, they could win, but only if the BR based Rifle would agg with the 6PPC.
If you do not realize that, then you need to learn more about how Short Range Benchrest works.
We who shoot Short Range Group do not shoot a 6PPC because we want to be like everyone else. We do it because it is simply the easiest to shoot competitive aggs.
The same holds true for Short Range NBRSA and IBS Score. Some type of short 30 caliber is the rifle of choice because with best edge scoring, it is the most accurate combination to choose.
I was testing several combinations. My HV 6BR shooting my own 103 grn bullets, the same Rifle with a 1-12 twist barrel shooting Barts 80 grn, My HV 30 BR, and my LV 6PPC Group Rifle.
I decided on the LV drop port 6PPC.
I did the majority of my practice at 200 yards. The 30BR and 6PPC were real close in agging capability, both capable of sub .200 gags. but I could shoot the PPC faster In the Group format, so I was going with it.
I tend to disagree with the statements about the top PPC shooters being able to win with something else, ie, a BR based Rifle. Of course, they could win, but only if the BR based Rifle would agg with the 6PPC.
If you do not realize that, then you need to learn more about how Short Range Benchrest works.
We who shoot Short Range Group do not shoot a 6PPC because we want to be like everyone else. We do it because it is simply the easiest to shoot competitive aggs.
The same holds true for Short Range NBRSA and IBS Score. Some type of short 30 caliber is the rifle of choice because with best edge scoring, it is the most accurate combination to choose.
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