Arizona has a 2 day / 1000 yard match at the end of the month, the Arizona Long-Range State Championship. I will let you know in a P.M. exactly how it shot..
.300 WSM WOW!
- Thread starter ShootDots
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I won't be able to show you the targets. I don't have anything but a flip-phone and I won't be in the pits. "normally" unless you are shooting on a new target, there are several shooters shooting on the same target. You will just have to take my word for it. Sorry..
OR You could by a pound of RL-16, use some Fed 210s and run some loads from 62.2 to 63.0 in 0.20increments and trust your chrono and eyes! LOL!!!
Joe
F-Class is about water-line and terrific scores,in about 20 minute time period. I think we are better off to run 2800 to 2850 in about 60 seconds to achieve good group's an scores.
Alex Wheeler
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Rl16 and RL23 both are capable. The last 300wsm I had shot RL23 very well. 64 grains with a 215. The issue with a 300 wsm is that it "could" run the upper node with better brass, 66+. 3-4 firings at the high node and the brass is toast. Thats about 3k in a 30" barrel. Doesnt matter if it shoots or not,(it does) the brass wont take it.
Okay Alex are you saying the adg brass in the short Remington Ultra short mag will take the speed at 3000.
Alex Wheeler
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No, but it will run the normal wsm node with less powder.
Stan, you are essentially correct. However, if you really want to win and set National Records, small groups are very important. I will give you a real life "for instance". Last year at the Nationals in Raton, Norm Harrold ( @Rope2horns on here) set a national record. Now I want you to picture this in your mind's eye. The 10 ring is 1m.o.a. (right at 10" @ 1000) and the X ring is exactly 1/2 of that. Norm, at 1000 yards, put 22 consecutive shots INSIDE the X ring before 1 went into the 10 ring! In anybody's book that is a phenomenal feat of accuracy! Like I said, if you want to win and from time to time set a national record in F-Class, a very accurate rifle, with very accurate loads in the hands of an excellent shot is necessary! So it is NOT just a "flat waterline">>>>superb accuracy is necessary too..
This has been a great read, very informative.
Ive got a question not only for @ShootDots but also anyone else who runs a 300 WSM at 1k.
Ive found Norma does 300 WSM brass in bags of 50, I was unlucky when I ordered my first 100 brass for an upcoming F Class build and got 2x 50 bags that are different lot numbers.
Do people weight sort/ batch the 300 WSM Norma brass? If so what is the best way to go about it.
Ive got a question not only for @ShootDots but also anyone else who runs a 300 WSM at 1k.
Ive found Norma does 300 WSM brass in bags of 50, I was unlucky when I ordered my first 100 brass for an upcoming F Class build and got 2x 50 bags that are different lot numbers.
Do people weight sort/ batch the 300 WSM Norma brass? If so what is the best way to go about it.
Orr89rocz
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Forgive me but i do not understand weighing brass. Unless you somehow can test wall thicknesses and such, how do you know where that weight is distributed? And how that translates to case internal capacity? Wouldnt case volume make much more sense to measure? Although tedious. I would think consistant capacity is what would yield best results, as a case with a bit more material near the head lets say may weigh couple grains more but may hold more power than a lighter case. Maybe not, i never really looked into it.
LA50SHOOTER
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Not to detract or disrupt the thread but there are pro’s and con’s IMO on weighing verses trying to measure internal case capacity.
Back when I purchased a full 1600 piece case of Norma 300 WSM I had to decide how to go about segregation of it. - I did my full preparation steps to all of it, including neck-turning and then did segregation by weight.
I don’t have any regrets in what I’ve done. - The S/D numbers on the LabRadar and the groups on paper indicate uniformity.
Ron
I have never weighed brass in any cartridge. Here is a thought, I could not find ANY, and I mean ANY .300 WSM Norma brass. Since it is such good stuff, I found 1000 pieces of .270 WSM brass that will have to be expanded and fireformed to my chamber. I wonder if it will shoot the same as the .300 WSM brass I have right now? But if I were a betting man, I would bet it will shoot the same. The reason I say that is I had 2 / 7 SAUMs and had a time finding 7 SAUM brass. I had to use .300 SAUM and neck it down. I could find no difference in charge weights or anything. But we shall see.. It might be that in short range Benchrest where a 10,000ths difference in group size can make the difference between winning or losing. But at 1000 yards a tiny difference like that would never be noticed.
LA50SHOOTER
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Ben, - I've used the Norma 270 WSM Brass expanded up to 30 cal. - It works great, in fact the boxes of 25 pieces each that I got were very uniform in weight. - They end up about 0.010 shorter than regular Norma 300 WSM brass after fire-forming.
- Ron -
That is great to hear Ron! I figured that it would be really good stuff! I am hoping that the 1000 pieces I bought will last me a GOOD LONG WHILE!!! My bet is that it will..
Fred B.
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I was lucky enough last year to find 200 pcs of Norma 300 WSM. I used RL23 with BR-2 and got good groups at just over 3000 (thanks to Ben’s advice). But after every firing, I had to trim the cases back. Norma is soft, but better than other brands. Also, I hade a bunch of them that had thicker rims that were hard to put in shellholder. Unless you do a volume test on cases, sorting would be useless.
Raythemanroe
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I don't believe in weighing cases for the above good points. I also don't believe in sorting by internal volume either before brass has been fire formed and received final prep.
Ray
Ray
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