30 AR in a bolt gun

[jghoghunter]

Has anybody built a bolt gun in 30 AR. If so how did it work out? What velocity, bullet, group size.

If nobody has what are your thoughts on building one in a relatively light package. Mostly for hunting Pa deer size game well inside 300yds

 

[GSPV]

So, the 30 AR would be a 6mmAR necked up to 30?

If so, it's the same thing as a 30 Major. Mike Ezell, "gunsandgunsmithing" on here, is the father of that cartridge. He has tons of experience with it in a bolt gun. Tons.

I'll let him know about this thread.

 

[GSPV]

I left Mike a voice mail. He'll be along when he's able.

For a preliminary answer, here's a thread that I posted recently. It'll answer some of your questions.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3823408.msg36274370#msg36274370

Now for all the disclaimers: That's in a full-race benchrest rifle. There were no pressure signs, but DO NOT go there without knowing what you're doing.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Thanks Greg, but I'm pretty sure the op is referring to a 30 Remington AR. He can clarify if I'm wrong. Here's a link. --Mike
p.s.--I like your link better.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2008/10/remington-introduces-new-30-remington-ar-cartridge/

 

[GSPV]

Bummer.

I think the Remington 30 AR is as dead as Elvis. No way that I'd go there.

If I needed more capacity than the 30 Major or 30 BR, I'd do a 30x47 Lapua.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Bummer.

I think the Remington 30 AR is as dead as Elvis. No way that I'd go there.

If I needed more capacity than the 30 Major or 30 BR, I'd do a 30x47 Lapua.

Greg, I agree because of the lack of brass. It had potential as a hunting round in an AR15 based rifle. There is no other factory available round that does what the 30 ar claimed, in a 30 caliber. The 30 Major is very close and can be built in a bolt or gas gun. At one point, I'm told, Hornady was going to offer factory loaded 30 Major ammunition, albeit renamed to 30 Action Shooting(30 AS). I think that the aac blackout stole some of it's thunder, but it is ballistically inferior to the 30 Major.--Mike

 

[jghoghunter]

Thanks guys I am talking about the 30 Remington AR. I see that there is no brass aviable has this been the norm since the beginning?

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Thanks guys I am talking about the 30 Remington AR. I see that there is no brass aviable has this been the norm since the beginning?

I think I remember seeing it being available at one time, but not since. That's been at least a couple of years ago. If you're a reloader, there are a few different options that would give the same or better performance, without the brass hassle.--Mike

 

[jghoghunter]

I think I remember seeing it being available at one time, but not since. That's been at least a couple of years ago. If you're a reloader, there are a few different options that would give the same or better performance, without the brass hassle.--Mike
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What would be those options if you would? The performance of the AR is plenty for where I hunt pa whitetails.

 

[GSPV]

Brass is one problem with the 30 RAR. Reamers, dies and information are others.

Just go 30 BR. Tons of bolt-gun information available. You wouldn't be winging it.

In the 30 BR, H4198 is the most-used powder. The 125 grain ballistic tip would be a great bullet for you for deer. For varmints, the Speer 125 TNT.

If you want more capacity, do the 30x47 Lapua. Not as much available, but still it's out there. Not shooting hunter BR, I don't know much about it. A quick Google search found this link: http://benchrest.com/archive/index.php/t-71457.html . There are some posters in the thread that are frequent winners.

If, for some reason, that you build with a PPC bolt face and want to do a 30 Major, feel free to give me a call. I'd be happy to help. I know that Mike would as well.

 

[jghoghunter]

Thanks for the info. It will give something to think about.

 

[GSPV]

No problem.

If you want a 30 and are finding the discussion about "wildcat" cases not to your liking, you could just do a 308 and load it down.

 

[jonbearman]

Or you could do what I did and make a 7.62x39mm(russian) rifle. I used a savage with a ppc bolt head and you can put 2 in a std mag for the .223 and you have a nice little gun just right for whitetails.

 

[GSPV]

II got the idea that the OP was looking for MORE case capacity than a 30 BR.

 

[jghoghunter]

I haven't found it yet what is the case capacity of the 30 br. Has anyone loaded the 125 or 150 ballistic tips in it for hunting. I just like the idea of the really efficient case and either the 125 or 150's would work well for deer and still have some pretty good ballistics as far as 300yds. This is just a idea I've been having for a few years now and I believe it's about time to do something with it.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I don't remember the water capacity but here's a good read with load data for the light bullets. --Mike

 

[GSPV]

Maybe this is where Mike was pointing:

http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/30br/

You'll find the 125 grain BT to be GREAT in the 30 BR for deer. For varmints, the Speer 125 TNT. There are other factory bullets as well. Since it's going to be cold, I might go with a faster twist than the 1:17.5 or 1:18 that a lot of us use. Just to be safe.

I don't know of anyone shooting the 150. You'd need more twist. Would also, probably, need a different freebore than most of us run in the 30 BR.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Thanks Greg...that is the article that I meant to link

 

[jghoghunter]

Thanks guys I read that article when you suggested a 30 br. You have given me plenty to look at and think about. If I have any question maybe I will contact you fellows if that's alright.
Jesse

 

[madderg]

... how about the old 300 Savage??