.30-06 Ackley -- Thoughts?

[Mulligan]

H4350 or RL-16 will get you to 3000
CW

 

[wboggs]

Does anyone know what H205 was? I think Hodgdon only repackaged powders, never manufactured them.

 

[wboggs]

H4350 or RL-16 will get you to 3000
CW

Never tried either of these since they weren't available when I had the rifle.

 

[Louisiana Shooter]

Give RL-17 a shot. I'll bet it'll do what your looking for.

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

Friend of mine build a steel/LR shooter chambered in 30.06AI or big 6 as we call it. 30” barrel spitting 215s at 3k is nothing to laugh at. I shoot 215s @ 2650 out of my standard 25” 30.06 and that will make people sit up when that hunting rifle swings a steel plate around its bar at 800y. When I replace this barrel it will also be chambered in a 40deg, no one I know builds an Ackley to shoot at standard “30.06”/parent cartridge preasure, let it loose and let them run

 

[wboggs]

What is your powder, throat, and oal with a 215 going 3k?

 

[wboggs]

Friend of mine build a steel/LR shooter chambered in 30.06AI or big 6 as we call it. 30” barrel spitting 215s at 3k is nothing to laugh at. I shoot 215s @ 2650 out of my standard 25” 30.06 and that will make people sit up when that hunting rifle swings a steel plate around its bar at 800y. When I replace this barrel it will also be chambered in a 40deg, no one I know builds an Ackley to shoot at standard “30.06”/parent cartridge preasure, let it loose and let them run

Capt.
Don't keep us in suspense, share the 215gr 3k .30-06 data with us.
Thanks

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

Capt.
Don't keep us in suspense, share the 215gr 3k .30-06 data with us.
Thanks

Wboggs, im not sure about the load but its with RL 26, i know Norma MRP and VV N560 also works a treat. I actually spoke to him earlier today and he mentioned he dropped the load down a little bit this weekend as he thinks its going to be rough on the brass

 

[wboggs]

Wboggs, im not sure about the load but its with RL 26, i know Norma MRP and VV N560 also works a treat. I actually spoke to him earlier today and he mentioned he dropped the load down a little bit this weekend as he thinks its going to be rough on the brass

Thank you. It would be helpful if you could ask how much RL 26 he uses and the manufacturer of his cases.
Bill

 

[longbow]

wboggs....You can use 270 brass at 2.540 and cut back to fit the neck chamber,if A guy felt he needed it. My 6.5 gibbs I built up over 25 years ago used 270 brass.Had a longer neck over the original 6.b Gibbs using 30-06 brass.......

 

[wboggs]

wboggs....You can use 270 brass at 2.540 and cut back to fit the neck chamber,if A guy felt he needed it. My 6.5 gibbs I built up over 25 years ago used 270 brass.Had a longer neck over the original 6.b Gibbs using 30-06 brass.......

longbow
I'm struggling to think of any combination of load and rifle that will produce 3k with a 215gr bullet using any basic form of the .30-06 case.
Your thoughts?

 

[longbow]

Check this out. Does he use 270 brass in 300 Sherman load to squeeze out that little bit extra length? Dont know,but something you can ask about....

Sherman Wildcat Cartridges

shermanwildcatcartridges.com

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

Thank you. It would be helpful if you could ask how much RL 26 he uses and the manufacturer of his cases.
Bill

Will ask him, he uses Lapua brass

 

[darkangel_r2]

I have a 30-06 ackley barrel that I bought from a fellar just got it on and worked up a few loads nothing serious yet. Wondering did anyone have anything to say good or bad regarding the caliber. I know it's not a big improvement over 30-06 but I bought it and dies worth the money.

Its an excellent caliber, about 10% less capacity than 300 wsm. It separates itself from the pack with a good 4831 burn rate stick powder and 200-230 grain bullets. Out of a 24" 200s 2850+ and 230s 2650+ depending on throat. Mdt 30-06 mags can feed 3.6" and that is long enough for everything with the possible exception of the highest bc 230s. Only standard bolt face long action that beats it in my opinion is 280AI.

If you don't have a barrel that can stabilize the high bc 200+ pills I don't think its worth it.

 

[wboggs]

Check this out. Does he use 270 brass in 300 Sherman load to squeeze out that little bit extra length? Dont know,but something you can ask about....

Sherman Wildcat Cartridges

shermanwildcatcartridges.com

The data on the Sherman site is impressive. Would like to see data on case capacities. Know of any?

 

[Bamban]

The data on the Sherman site is impressive. Would like to see data on case capacities. Know of any?

Call the Sherman guy, he has tons of data as well as brass for most of his cartridges. And, he sells/rent Sherman reamers

 

[lotech]

There are a number of Improved .30-06 designs and I doubt the Ackley version is much different ballistically than the others. I was interested in wildcat cartidges for many years and have worked with quite a few, but the new eventually wore off of all of them. All are gone and I don't miss any of them.

I never worked with a .30-06 Improved because the ballistic discrepancies and non-pressure tested data varies greatly. At sane and safe pressures, there is likely an improvement over the standard .30-06, but it may not be sufficient to offset the trouble associated in dealing with one of the improved versions. Claims are made for greatly increased velocities, but it's impossible to tell if that's due to an efficient cartridge design that allows for a greater powder capacity or because the cartridge is simply loaded to a potentially dangerous pressure level.

 

[jghoghunter]

I never worked with a .30-06 Improved because the ballistic discrepancies and non-pressure tested data varies greatly. At sane and safe pressures, there is likely an improvement over the standard .30-06, but it may not be sufficient to offset the trouble associated in dealing with one of the improved versions. Claims are made for greatly increased velocities, but it's impossible to tell if that's due to an efficient cartridge design that allows for a greater powder capacity or because the cartridge is simply loaded to a potentially dangerous pressure level.

I have AI cartridges and I like them. BUT there are numerous people on this website and others that should not be loading for them. No basic understanding of physics what so ever. When you give some of these people a easy comparison they still look at you like you have 2 heads with one eye each!

 

[wboggs]

There are a number of Improved .30-06 designs and I doubt the Ackley version is much different ballistically than the others. I was interested in wildcat cartidges for many years and have worked with quite a few, but the new eventually wore off of all of them. All are gone and I don't miss any of them.

I never worked with a .30-06 Improved because the ballistic discrepancies and non-pressure tested data varies greatly. At sane and safe pressures, there is likely an improvement over the standard .30-06, but it may not be sufficient to offset the trouble associated in dealing with one of the improved versions. Claims are made for greatly increased velocities, but it's impossible to tell if that's due to an efficient cartridge design that allows for a greater powder capacity or because the cartridge is simply loaded to a potentially dangerous pressure level.

The lack of pressure data also bothers me with some of these improved versions and it is impossible to get unless someone like Nosler (.30-06 ackley) publishes reloading data. I note there is never some hugh beyond reason velocity increase or great increase in efficiency of cartridge design.

 

[FNSafari]

I don't think the AI in the 06 really accomplishes much improvement on game performance. Want improvement? Get a .308 Norma Mag, 300 WM, etc., etc.