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222rem or 6br

Leadfarmer said:
What's the brass life looking like on the 222 anyway?
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Endless, or of no concern.
My first bench rifle made by Ed Ferguson in 1975 for me ( still have it) shoots very well.
I’m strictly a 100 yard shooter.
Then after many enjoyable years I got a 6BR. Really superb. But I’ll skip to my point. I then got a 30BR. That’s the winner hands down. I’m only interested in group size. The 30 will never shoot a bad group. Bit of a breeze? The 222 can’t compete.
The 6 is somewhere in between. However give me a cloudy day with no wind that 222 will be a contender. Not obsolete by any means. But if I had to shoot a 5 shot group for $1,000.00 and can take only one rifle it will be the 30BR. That 222 is old school. Shell holder bolt face and sleeved action. Hart barrel. Since it was my first and built by a superb craftsman and teacher, I have a real soft spot for it.
The 30BR just never does anything wrong. No fliers, just always a matter of ME!
My best group ever ( so far) is .103
The 6 falls in between the two.
All of this is my opinion but I’d be pleased to post targets from all three.
All 3 are really fine and I’ve let sentiment come in to my answer. One’s my first and the other my best, thus the 6 probably doesn’t get a fair shake.
And 1975 was a long time ago but I had 3 fabulous gentlemen ( all deceased now) take the time to teach a comparative youngster who was brand new to bench shooting.
Been shooting since around 1953.
All of this is my experience and my opinion.
 
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M-61 said:
Endless, or of no concern.
My first bench rifle made by Ed Ferguson in 1975 for me ( still have it) shoots very well.
I’m strictly a 100 yard shooter.
Then after many enjoyable years I got a 6BR. Really superb. But I’ll skip to my point. I then got a 30BR. That’s the winner hands down. I’m only interested in group size. The 30 will never shoot a bad group. Bit of a breeze? The 222 can’t compete.
The 6 is somewhere in between. However give me a cloudy day with no wind that 222 will be a contender. Not obsolete by any means. But if I had to shoot a 5 shot group for $1,000.00 and can take only one rifle it will be the 30BR. That 222 is old school. Shell holder bolt face and sleeved action. Hart barrel. Since it was my first and built by a superb craftsman and teacher, I have a real soft spot for it.
The 30BR just never does anything wrong. No fliers, just always a matter of ME!
My best group ever ( so far) is .103
The 6 falls in between the two.
All of this is my opinion but I’d be pleased to post targets from all three.
All 3 are really fine and I’ve let sentiment come in to my answer. One’s my first and the other my best, thus the 6 probably doesn’t get a fair shake.
And 1975 was a long time ago but I had 3 fabulous gentlemen ( all deceased now) take the time to teach a comparative youngster who was brand new to bench shooting.
Been shooting since around 1953.
All of this is my experience and my opinion.
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I agree
Looking into a 30BR.
What’s your favorite bullet and powder?
 
I have my old BR gun that I had built in 1976 with a new Hart barrel that I haven't shot yet , It is a XP100 with Hart 1:14 twist 24" barrel 2 oz trigger and the scope I got in 1976 a 36 Lepold , just haven't had time this spring But we will be at the range this next week , Had a couple other 222's that my kids have now .
 

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ArtinNC said:
I have my old BR gun that I had built in 1976 with a new Hart barrel that I haven't shot yet , It is a XP100 with Hart 1:14 twist 24" barrel 2 oz trigger and the scope I got in 1976 a 36 Lepold , just haven't had time this spring But we will be at the range this next week , Had a couple other 222's that my kids have now .
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Nice looking rig no doubt.
 
M-61 said:
Endless, or of no concern.
My first bench rifle made by Ed Ferguson in 1975 for me ( still have it) shoots very well.
I’m strictly a 100 yard shooter.
Then after many enjoyable years I got a 6BR. Really superb. But I’ll skip to my point. I then got a 30BR. That’s the winner hands down. I’m only interested in group size. The 30 will never shoot a bad group. Bit of a breeze? The 222 can’t compete.
The 6 is somewhere in between. However give me a cloudy day with no wind that 222 will be a contender. Not obsolete by any means. But if I had to shoot a 5 shot group for $1,000.00 and can take only one rifle it will be the 30BR. That 222 is old school. Shell holder bolt face and sleeved action. Hart barrel. Since it was my first and built by a superb craftsman and teacher, I have a real soft spot for it.
The 30BR just never does anything wrong. No fliers, just always a matter of ME!
My best group ever ( so far) is .103
The 6 falls in between the two.
All of this is my opinion but I’d be pleased to post targets from all three.
All 3 are really fine and I’ve let sentiment come in to my answer. One’s my first and the other my best, thus the 6 probably doesn’t get a fair shake.
And 1975 was a long time ago but I had 3 fabulous gentlemen ( all deceased now) take the time to teach a comparative youngster who was brand new to bench shooting.
Been shooting since around 1953.
All of this is my experience and my opinion.
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Totally agree the 30BR can do no wrong. All my other rifles including a 6PPC are jealous.
 
M-61 said:
34.0 gr. 4198. Berger 115 FB
An example VVVV
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Nice! Classic example of a low to mid teen group not hitting a dot and why score is so tough. I hear people claim a mid .3 rifle is all ya need to touch the dot. I realize it's a group target without a dot. Mathematically true but it'd be like hitting the lottery. Nice group though and yeah, hard to knock a small 30. They flat shoot and tune easier than anything out there.
 
Leadfarmer said:
Just out of curiosity, from a pure accuracy standpoint, what would you go with? Short range 1-200 yards. The 222 rem or a slow twist 6br?
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I've stuck with the .224 stuff for fun shooing----221 FB through 220 Swift IMP---enjoyed all.

My best accuracy results were with the 222 and 22PPC with the 220 Beggs not far behind. I suspect that the 22PPC might eventually be the best of these .224's.

I haven't seen another 222 at the range in years-----somebody's missing out on a fun experience.

A. Weldy
 
Clancy said:
I grew up on 222 and have switched to a 13.5 twist 6BR. I’d like to have another 222, but what bullets are you guys using besides the 52 Bart? I almost never see custom 22 cal bullets, but I’d like to!
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Randy Robinett's 52's best 52 grain grain match bullets I've found, and are spot on anyway you can measure them, base to ogive, oal, and especially at the target when you do your part.
 
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Leadfarmer said:
Actually really surprised at the answers thus far. I was thinking this post would rule out the 222, but appears that it did just the opposite.
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I too was surprised expecting the BR to be the clear choice. Just goes to show ............ !!


Leadfarmer said:
I thought about this as well. Does Lapua even make 222rem brass anymore?
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I'm pretty sure that Lapua will reinstate 222 brass when things ease. There is a considerable remaining market for the cartridge in Scandinavia for various forms of winter hunting. It remains fairly popular across Europe too some countries allowing it for shooting the small Roe deer, northern Europe's most widespread native deer species as well as non-indigenous escaped miniature species such as Muntjac. Also, until fairly recently, several European countries didn't allow civilian ownership of 223 Rem and 308 Win rifles as they were legally classed as 'military cartridges'. As F-Class and similar took hold, fast-twist triple-twos filled the need, (and reportedly shot very well indeed).
 
I'm no bench rest shooter,just like interesting rifles. My first duce was a 600 in the early 80s, traded it off and got a 700 v and Leo 6.5-20, it went away for some dumb reason. Years later I now have an original 722 with ww date code on barrel,it's a classic,nice to look at and fun to shoot . I have a Stevens 200 in .223, which is ok,but doesn't have appeal,but makes a good truck/ utility gun. The old rem stays.
 
Well, I've decided, and I'm going to do a 222rem. I already have a 6br (8 twist. Probably end up doing a slow twist later on.)

Im going to start to gather the parts and in the mean time once a week I'll ask a couple of questions on here. Just in regards to everyones favorite twist rates, powders, primers etc. try to learn as much as I can from all of you with far more experience than me.
 
ebb said:
He sold out form under me to a lady in the neighborhood, who used it to humble here son who thought his tacticool rifles would outshoot anything.
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When you're sitting on your hands, waiting for him to lower his price, how is someone else buying it "sold out from under me"?
 
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