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Discontinuing the Legends (Pistols Etc.)

davidjoe

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We are losing some guns that should engender serious reflection. Perhaps the number of people with etched memories of these certain shapes, - since childhood - is small, but to them, these are significant losses that will defy reason.

The Walther PPK. 007 dies at the end of the last Bond movie, the 25th. Why, because 25 is a nice round number, there’s no more Cold War, the pretty women’s role isn’t correct, now? So, about a year later, Walther actually announced ceasing the production of the PPK, at least for now.

Walther: I would be hard pressed to name, let alone sketch, any other product in your lineup - apart from the one gun you are dropping. This is among the most recognizable handguns in the world. It is associated, albeit fictionally (but as plausibly as an Omega watch), as the choice for duty by those with unlimited resources and discernment.

As a kid, I had this cap gun, (still sold on EBay to guys my age) which cost me relatively more then, to buy at that age than all the .22 and .38 PPK’s I have bought since then.


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I could identify the real gun or the cap gun (many decades later) with one hand in a sock drawer. I won’t engage the steel versus plastic functional sufficiency debate here, but that hefty little steel PPK will be sorely missed, and I’ll speak for the 50 somethings in saying that when we longed for the “real” guns as kids, graduating to steel and wood from plastic was part of it, - you weren’t supposed to come to us.

Smith &Wesson - the all steel, world beating, legendary Model 41? Discontinued. Hands down one of the best looking, most balanced, best shooting competition pistols of all time, gone now?

There is basically no chance you can ever bring this gun back, or better it. It’s $2,300 so no matter how few get sold, I can’t imagine that money was/is being lost.

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It’s difficult to look at this gun, then imagine a meeting room table, where everyone discussed pro’s and cons, and then decided that “we don’t need to produce this anymore.”

I admit that I don’t really understand a gun community where either of these iconic, steel pistols don’t have a following.

Do the manufacturers have the right read on the market? Are they actually trying to ween us off heritable, ultimate, products that never need to be replaced and therefore are ironically bad for business?

How can the case of the Colt Python go unnoticed? When Colt ceased production, just how desirable these revolvers were was impossible to miss in the prices, everywhere. Much later, when CZ bought the Colt brand, they brought back revolvers under the snake names that supposedly weren’t viable, and they sell well, AND the old guns held high value.

If there is a plastic handgun that has ever appreciated in value, I’m not aware of it (cap guns replicating steel guns, notwithstanding).
 
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I picked up a mint 70's S&W Model 41 a few years ago. Just because. It is an iconic pistol. Sad that they have chosen to discontinue it.

I got one upon the negative news. You probably have the cocking indicator version.
 
Bad decisions appear to be a hallmark of many iconic brands the world over. It's almost like intelligence declines as companies pass through generations of ownership and into private equity firms where they go to die. It'll take a really innovative company like CZ to buy these idiots up and re-release these iconic products to consumer accolades that result in fantastic profits.
 
i can tell you that S&W looks at the financial analysis on products first and last.
publicly traded company.
when was the last time we shot indoor 50' targets?
the same change in shooters habits is also the reason High Standard CItations etc are a bargain in todays dollars. i see them for $600 or so all the time ....
 
While in my competition days I was primarily a revolver shooter, my team encouraged me (more like friendly pressure) to switch from by beloved Model 17 S&W 22 LR to the Model 41 because they claimed I would be able to shoot at least 5 points or more better which would help the team competition against other regional teams.

I was already on the Gold Team (top 5 shooters) but relented nevertheless and brought a Model 41, the heavy barrel version. On 5/12/86 I shot a 99 Slow Fire in the Dormont Lebanon In-Door Club Championship with the 41. I still have the target which was witnessed by Bob Varia. I also shot a 99-9x Slow Fire outdoors but that was only in practice, not match competition. My team members were right; I did improve my scores with the great Model 41. Those were the day of precision pistol shooting - a by gone era.

Today at the ranges where I belong, very few are interested in precision shooting. It's all about defensive pistol shooting - translation: spewing 7 or move rounds down range in rapid fire sequences at human silhouette targets at 10 yards.

I sold my 41 for a very nice profit when my arthritic elbow forced me out competition in the mid 90's. But it was a great match pistol accuracy wise. But, in my opinion, the best I ever used was the Hi-Standard Citation Model with the bull barrel. Its accuracy was close to the 41 but it was more reliable in terms of malfunctions. I shot that pistol in the Army while shooting on the Fort Belvoir pistol club.
 
Plastic guns are tools. No more, no less. People who love blued steel and fine wood furniture are dying out. Literally. Young shooters (what few there are) crave “tactical” and, most importantly, cheap. We are irritated with manufacturers diverting emphasis away from classic firearm configurations but in reality they’re simply monitoring the market’s pulse.

Let’s face it: we’re the old guys now.
 
We are losing some guns that should engender serious reflection. Perhaps the number of people with etched memories of these certain shapes, - since childhood - is small, but to them, these are significant losses that will defy reason.

The Walther PPK. 007 dies at the end of the last Bond movie, the 25th. Why, because 25 is a nice round number, there’s no more Cold War, the pretty women’s role isn’t correct, now? So, about a year later, Walther actually announced ceasing the production of the PPK, at least for now.

Walther: I would be hard pressed to name, let alone sketch, any other product in your lineup - apart from the one gun you are dropping. This is among the most recognizable handguns in the world. It is associated, albeit fictionally (but as plausibly as an Omega watch), as the choice for duty by those with unlimited resources and discernment.

As a kid, I had this cap gun, (still sold on EBay to guys my age) which cost me relatively more then, to buy at that age than all the .22 and .38 PPK’s I have bought since then.


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I could identify the real gun or the cap gun (many decades later) with one hand in a sock drawer. I won’t engage the steel versus plastic functional sufficiency debate here, but that hefty little steel PPK will be sorely missed, and I’ll speak for the 50 somethings in saying that when we longed for the “real” guns as kids, graduating to steel and wood from plastic was part of it, - you weren’t supposed to come to us.

Smith &Wesson - the all steel, world beating, legendary Model 41? Discontinued. Hands down one of the best looking, most balanced, best shooting competition pistols of all time, gone now?

There is basically no chance you can ever bring this gun back, or better it. It’s $2,300 so no matter how few get sold, I can’t imagine that money was/is being lost.

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It’s difficult to look at this gun, then imagine a meeting room table, where everyone discussed pro’s and cons, and then decided that “we don’t need to produce this anymore.”

I admit that I don’t really understand a gun community where either of these iconic, steel pistols don’t have a following.

Do the manufacturers have the right read on the market? Are they actually trying to ween us off heritable, ultimate, products that never need to be replaced and therefore are ironically bad for business?

How can the case of the Colt Python go unnoticed? When Colt ceased production, just how desirable these revolvers were was impossible to miss in the prices, everywhere. Much later, when CZ bought the Colt brand, they brought back revolvers under the snake names that supposedly weren’t viable, and they sell well, AND the old guns held high value.

If there is a plastic handgun that has ever appreciated in value, I’m not aware of it (cap guns replicating steel guns, notwithstanding).
I’ve always regretted selling my S&W 41… It was exactly like the one in the photo
Had two uppers for it, one with a 4 power scope on it as well as a short barrel one… It was my favourite Bunny Buster and took out it’s share of ground squirrels as well…
 
My biggest regret was selling a Hi-Standard Victor in 1987. I shot several matches (bullseye) with it and it was great. I do not remember why I sold it; probably to buy another gun.
Alex
 
I vividly remember going to the range with my Dad and his shooting buddy , and waiting impatiently to get a chance to shoot Dad's Hi Standard . His "Bud" ; Norm Gould even let me shoot his S&W 41 a couple of times . Getting to shoot those guns as a teen made some really cool memories . Both were very high-ranked Bullseye Shooters in the early , mid sixties .
 
I used to be a Model 41 collector, and I shot these pics at a S&W Collectors meeting, many years ago, of the first Model 41 on display by some other collector.

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I only wish it were mine, but I still have some, including a 7 3/8, early 4 digit serial number, with the proper two seam magazine to keep me happy.

Lets not forget the Model 52, 38 wadcutter. Maybe even better than the 41. Shooting those 148 gr HBWC over 2.8 gr of Bullseye was so smooth, it felt like the slide was running in whipped cream.

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All the more reasons to grab one while you can. I picked up a nice used PPK/S a few months ago. While picking it up at the local gun shop, I spied an old CZ 83 and grabbed it. It’s another fine old gun. Here’s a pic of two of my favorite 9mms and my “new” 380 ACPs.
I carry the Walther now. I like the manual safety and the double action trigger.
I would venture a guess that the modern buyers are perfectly happy with plastic guns with larger capacity mags.
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My Walther PPK, not the /S model, was my CC and traveling companion since very shortly after I was sworn in in 1984. Built under license by Interarms I had to send it back under warranty because the magazine would not stay seated under recoil. After it was returned I have not ever at any time had a malfunction. Not with any ammunition from any manufacturer. An enviable track record to be sure.......
 

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