Lapping Factory ARA Barrels

[TRSR8]

It ain't broke--I don't think it needs fixing
At the ARA matches ( where it counts) there is Never any complaining about Factory class in any way--all of the shooters I shoot with Love it and attend on a regular basis. I have never heard any talk about hard or easy or changing anything Again so what the top two dual it out with 2500's? Let X count settle it like always
Of all the 22 matches we shoot ARA is the smoothest thing we do

And FWIW, Pauls new factory PSL offering going this week, one of the first things incorporated in that factory class is to introduce a harder target to reduce the well known fact that the current ARA factory target is in fact too easy. RFBR, even factory, is supposed to be harder than it currently is.
Any match…….any, where somebody lays down universal 2500’s, that should be obvious.

 

[JigSaw]

TRSR8
How many ARA Factory 2500 have you shot?

 

[TRSR8]

TRSR8
How many ARA Factory 2500 have you shot?

Don’t kill the messenger there new guy..
C.C. “ big balls” on that.

 

[BowChamp]

And FWIW, Pauls new factory PSL offering going this week, one of the first things incorporated in that factory class is to introduce a harder target to reduce the well known fact that the current ARA factory target is in fact too easy. RFBR, even factory, is supposed to be harder than it currently is.
Any match…….any, where somebody lays down universal 2500’s, that should be obvious.

Not sure if you have much experience with it.......What are your thoughts on the equipment allowed in ARA Factory Class?

Thanks!
Jerry

 

[TRSR8]

Not sure if you have much experience with it.......What are your thoughts on the equipment allowed in ARA Factory Class?

Thanks!
Jerry

Jerry
I really don’t, seems Dan stays on top of it. Seems with all the good targets, equipment works well.
As I’ve stated, zero vested interest, but since you move around forums, plenty of comments on the target by very experienced guys, thus Pauls new deal with an arguably better target format. Understood, starting out ARA leaned toward easier rather than tougher but now, well established seems like a tweak is in order.
Time will tell.
Tim

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Not sure if you have much experience with it.......What are your thoughts on the equipment allowed in ARA Factory Class?

Thanks!
Jerry

Jerry,
I am still trying to understand why Bergara are allowed and not Anschutz the price limit makes no sense.

Lee

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Jerry
I really don’t, seems Dan stays on top of it. Seems with all the good targets, equipment works well.
As I’ve stated, zero vested interest, but since you move around forums, plenty of comments on the target by very experienced guys, thus Pauls new deal with an arguably better target format. Understood, starting out ARA leaned toward easier rather than tougher but now, well established seems like a tweak is in order.
Time will tell.
Tim

Tim,
I still think they should have used the UL target and just scored best edge.

Lee

 

[mudduck]

Jerry,
I am still trying to understand why Bergara are allowed and not Anschutz the price limit makes no sense.

Lee

I think the intention is to keep the cost down is the reason for no anschutz rifles.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

I think the intention is to keep the cost down is the reason for no anschutz rifles.

I understand about cost, but since they are factory mass produced rifles why set a limit. they don't set limits on rest or scopes. if the intentions were to keep cost down the current limit should be for the whole rifle including glass. same with the rest $1000 max or do a complete package limit of $2500

Lee

 

[BowChamp]

Jerry
I really don’t, seems Dan stays on top of it. Seems with all the good targets, equipment works well.
As I’ve stated, zero vested interest, but since you move around forums, plenty of comments on the target by very experienced guys, thus Pauls new deal with an arguably better target format. Understood, starting out ARA leaned toward easier rather than tougher but now, well established seems like a tweak is in order.
Time will tell.
Tim

Yes Sir, kind of where I'm at on the subject. The target seems on the easy side with the equipment allowed at present. I do understand they had to start with something and see where it led. Not my class so I wouldn't have much say so as far as changes.
I do appreciate the effort put forth by those making it all possible for us.

Thanks!
Jerry

 

[BowChamp]

Jerry,
I am still trying to understand why Bergara are allowed and not Anschutz the price limit makes no sense.

Lee

I'm guessing maybe the Anschutz has a certain persona of being elite. Maybe the MSRP limit gives the powers to be a way of saying...this is why your rifle isn't approved.

Just my opinion....when I think of factory class rifles, I think of $200.00 to $500.00 rifles. We've been getting a good number of new shooters showing up at our local club over the last six months or so. The first question asked is what kind of equipment is needed cause all I have is a 10/22 or walmart special of some sorts. I tell'em perfect, come on out and start shooting, make sure you like it before worrying about what gear is needed.
I try my best to push having fun for the new shooters!!

Jerry

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

I'm guessing maybe the Anschutz has a certain persona of being elite. Maybe the MSRP limit gives the powers to be a way of saying...this is why your rifle isn't approved.

Just my opinion....when I think of factory class rifles, I think of $200.00 to $500.00 rifles. We've been getting a good number of new shooters showing up at our local club over the last six months or so. The first question asked is what kind of equipment is needed cause all I have is a 10/22 or walmart special of some sorts. I tell'em perfect, come on out and start shooting, make sure you like it before worrying about what gear is needed.
I try my best to push having fun for the new shooters!!

Jerry

Jerry,

I agree rifles should be way below the current price cap. as far as Anschutz maybe the Match 54 are elite because of their Olympic heritage, but the 64 MPR is in the same level as a Bergara I would think.

Lee

 

[Jdub22]

Don’t kill the messenger there new guy..
C.C. “ big balls” on that.

TRSR8
How many ARA Factory 2500 have you shot?

Tim Simbari has shot 0 UL or factory ARA cards ever in an official ARA match. If you have post it and I'll apologize.

You should shoot a few factory matches before making statements regarding how easy it is.

Tim you're entitled to your opinions, but insulting forum members is childish!

 

[Dgd6mm]

Lee, The current factory price as of this year is set at $1450.00. What would you suggest should be the maximum allowable cost for a factory class ARA rifle? Im just curious and that's all. My most expensive rifle I shoot in factory ARA is a CZ457 Varmint, not the MTR. My cost on sale was under $500.00 and today's going price over $700.00. Harris bipod and a small fortune cookie rear squeeze bag. I'm definitely enjoying myself with the equipment I use and my scores tho not always good are acceptable to me.
I look in the rabbit hole, just never go down it.

 

[TRSR8]

Tim Simbari has shot 0 UL or factory ARA cards ever in an official ARA match. If you have post it and I'll apologize.

You should shoot a few factory matches before making statements regarding how easy it is.

Tim you're entitled to your opinions, but insulting forum members is childish!

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"MY' opinions? Study up there new guy #2, I'm guessing you've been around about 10 minutes.....always a "back story".

 

[TRSR8]

Yes Sir, kind of where I'm at on the subject. The target seems on the easy side with the equipment allowed at present. I do understand they had to start with something and see where it led. Not my class so I wouldn't have much say so as far as changes.
I do appreciate the effort put forth by those making it all possible for us.

Thanks!
Jerry

Yep.
Again, no vested interest but when so many long term guys say the same thing, ?????
I've been around a while and RFBR evolves, all RFBR.
Absolutely correct as far as getting this thing off the ground, but now that it's hit critical mass.....
In IR there have been a multitude of changes, especially regarding Sporters, few of which I was involved with back when Wilbur owned it, and yes, Dan/Dawn/ELEY have done a commendable job but, doesn't take a genius to look at some of these scores.

 

[dusterdave173]

Looking at recent ARA Factory results
The nationals for indoors this month
Yep the top 5 places shot a lot of 2500's--it fades fast below that
At my local match one of the top shooters in the USA shot 5 x 2500's to beat me and the month before we both shot 4x 2500's and each a 2450 came down to X count in a 5 card match
So yes..the nationals had about 5 guys looking pretty darn good and even at the local level a couple or few are doing the same--
Overall nationally it looks the same--a couple / few in each club that are Dedicated and practice more than most shoot in total--and then practice some more--that buy 10x the ammo others buy so they can test and test more--and...they have been using the same rifle for a long time and some since factory was started--so Yes--there are some amazing scores being shot by the top guys in the country--about 90 % of the shooters do not score like that. For lack of experience and other things mentioned.
That just does not seem like a reason to change a thing IMO
I think if it takes all 2500's and X count decides so what? Too easy? Not if the majority can't do it --

No sanctioning body can please everyone--not in shooting, not in racing, not in any sport.
Successful sanctioning organizations that have staying power are rare! ARA Factory is one of those rare outfits--FWIW I never and I mean never hear any complaints at an ARA match.

ARA has to draw the line somewhere--I think they have hit the happy spot--can't shoot your Anschutz? Then ARA Factory is not for you find another class--PRS is not for me I have crappy knees.
Find a group that thinks like you do and join them--Let the group you don't like alone--they seem happy to me and continue to have great attendance that is steady considering the current challenges of ammo shortage and rising prices, inflation, cost of travel etc
It ain't broke--it does not need fixing and..IF they did change the targets--Same folks will keep winning-I will bet on that.

 

[High Noon]

This winter I purchased this beautiful used Anschutz 1761 thumbhole 22 rimfire rifle. I mounted a scope and got it zeroed on paper and immediately knew this rifle could really shoot! It’s 100 percent all factory no changes and just like new. I then went to our local Friday club match to shoot the factory class and was told I couldn’t shoot the factory class so I asked what can I shoot? They said I could shoot the “Precision Rifle Class” which I said ok. I ended up tied for first place. Like I said this rifle really shoots well and there’s some really nice precision custom rifles in that class! When I got home I looked up the Factory Class rules and was surprised to see how many really nice factory rifles are not eligible to shoot. Like all the Winchester 52 sporters including the reproduction Winchester Model 52’s, Kleinguenther and all the Anschutz sporters all which I have.
My thought is why not have a more than one factory class. Class 1 and Class 2 for these other rifles. All must be factory with same set of rules. You could actually shoot them all at the same time and score in them in the appropriate class. Then we can dust off all these wonderful rifles off and shoot them!

 

[Dgd6mm]

Looking at recent ARA Factory results
The nationals for indoors this month
Yep the top 5 places shot a lot of 2500's--it fades fast below that
At my local match one of the top shooters in the USA shot 5 x 2500's to beat me and the month before we both shot 4x 2500's and each a 2450 came down to X count in a 5 card match
So yes..the nationals had about 5 guys looking pretty darn good and even at the local level a couple or few are doing the same--
Overall nationally it looks the same--a couple / few in each club that are Dedicated and practice more than most shoot in total--and then practice some more--that buy 10x the ammo others buy so they can test and test more--and...they have been using the same rifle for a long time and some since factory was started--so Yes--there are some amazing scores being shot by the top guys in the country--about 90 % of the shooters do not score like that. For lack of experience and other things mentioned.
That just does not seem like a reason to change a thing IMO
I think if it takes all 2500's and X count decides so what? Too easy? Not if the majority can't do it --

No sanctioning body can please everyone--not in shooting, not in racing, not in any sport.
Successful sanctioning organizations that have staying power are rare! ARA Factory is one of those rare outfits--FWIW I never and I mean never hear any complaints at an ARA match.

ARA has to draw the line somewhere--I think they have hit the happy spot--can't shoot your Anschutz? Then ARA Factory is not for you find another class--PRS is not for me I have crappy knees.
Find a group that thinks like you do and join them--Let the group you don't like alone--they seem happy to me and continue to have great attendance that is steady considering the current challenges of ammo shortage and rising prices, inflation, cost of travel etc
It ain't broke--it does not need fixing and..IF they did change the targets--Same folks will keep winning-I will bet on that.

Well said Dave.

 

[MG427]

We need a Factory Vintage Class, took include the Anschutz, Kimber, Vudoos, RimX, Winchesters and Remington's. Like Lee said use the unlimited target with best edge scoring. It will bring out a lot more shooters.