Barrel life 800-1100 rounds!

[jelenko]

For 223 with 60 to 80 bullets, that would be 3000+ rounds.

 

[KMW 1954]

Someone please explain the 22 arc in a bolt gun. I don't see it.

Was going to inquire with you about a prefit for my Savage. Then seeing this, maybe not.

 

[jelenko]

Was going to inquire with you about a prefit for my Savage. Then seeing this, maybe not.

I think the idea is that the 22 ARC was designed to give more performance in an AR platform - which means it's under powered for a bolt action.

Edit. In any case, the Wilson's at his pricing are a great deal.

 

[STS]

For 223 with 60 to 80 bullets, that would be 3000+ rounds.

Well, it's not a .223.

 

[KMW 1954]

was designed to give more performance in an AR platform - which means it's under powered for a bolt action.

Edit. In any case, the Wilson's at his pricing are a great deal.

Been hearing that same excuse adage for a few years now. Then we can also look at the 6ppc, 6BR, BRA, Dasher, 22PPC and many others that all fall in the same category. How many of those were designed to be used in an AR? Sorry, just not buying that argument anymore.

Yet we blow out the 223 and 22-250 to get more speed. Which is Where I see the 22ARC fitting in nicely. More than the 223 and less than the 22-250. The 22PPC was never meant to be fired in an AR, was it? Not much of a difference between the two.

My question then comes down to this as a paper target shooter. Do I really need a 6.5CR, 6CR, 6GT, 22CMor even a 22-250 to punch holes in paper at 600yds? Or in my case, 100 to 300yds? Not in my mind.

 

[jelenko]

Well, it's not a .223.

Yeah, I thought so. I thought it would be interesting to compare whatever round count is on that barrel with what a 223 would be.

 

[jelenko]

Been hearing that same excuse adage for a few years now. Then we can also look at the 6ppc, 6BR, BRA, Dasher, 22PPC and many others that all fall in the same category. How many of those were designed to be used in an AR? Sorry, just not buying that argument anymore.

Yet we blow out the 223 and 22-250 to get more speed. Which is Where I see the 22ARC fitting in nicely. More than the 223 and less than the 22-250. The 22PPC was never meant to be fired in an AR, was it? Not much of a difference between the two.

My question then comes down to this as a paper target shooter. Do I really need a 6.5CR, 6CR, 6GT, 22CMor even a 22-250 to punch holes in paper at 600yds? Or in my case, 100 to 300yds? Not in my mind.

Well, I along with thousands of other cross the course paper punchers use unmodified 223 in a Wylde chamber to perforate 200-600 yard 1 MOA X rings.

That said, the 22ARC in an AR platform is going to provide better ballistic coefficients that are more forgiving for errors in wind calls.

 

[KMW 1954]

Well, I along with thousands of other cross the course paper punchers use unmodified 223 in a Wylde chamber to perforate 200-600 yard 1 MOA X rings.

That said, the 22ARC in an AR platform is going to provide better ballistic coefficients that are more forgiving for errors in wind calls.

And what is that 22ARC going to do in a 6+lb 30" straight profile barrel?

 

[Kracken McGraw]

How many rounds down this 22CM barrel? And anyone care to guess what the grouping ability of the barrel was at 400 yards? Not used in the dog towns.
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Guessing low round count around 300, 1 3/4 group.

 

[L.Sherm]

Im not seeing your point. Is there something meritorios about shooting rodents and other pest animals ?

Like I said you've obviously never done it.

 

[STS]

Yeah, I thought so. I thought it would be interesting to compare whatever round count is on that barrel with what a 223 would be.

I've burned down several 223 barrels in the dog towns. That borescope image would be consistent with a round count of approximately 4000 rounds in my experience. As I noted above, the barrel in the scope image is a ..22 CM. As said in the first post in this thread, this is about the barrel life of the .22 Creedmoor cartridge. I have 3 of them, and know to the round , how many rounds have been fired from each of them. In my opinion the majority of people don't really have a good grasp on the barrel life of the 22 CM. They just repeat what they have heard or read on the inner web. The barrel in the above borescope image had 1217 rounds on it when that picture was taken, and would still deliver 1 inch groups pretty reliably at 400 yards. That barrel has since been retired. That rifle is a predator rifle, so my criteria is will it shoot good enough to kill a coyote at 500 yards every shot assuming the wind isn't howling. That barrel went down pretty quickly after 1400 rounds and was taken off at 1490 rounds. The last time I tested, it was shooting about 4 inches at 500 yards. It was done.

 

[STS]

Guessing low round count around 300, 1 3/4 group.

It had 1217 rounds on it and would still shoot about 1 inch at 400 yards.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

It had 1217 rounds on it and would still shoot about 1 inch at 400 yards.

Well, that’s a great testimonial to that cartridge then.

 

[GetReal]

Like I said you've obviously never done it.

So what?

Whats the point in making this thread ABOUT ME ? Why do that ?

This is a groovy bbl life thread. Not about how many PDs I' ve exploded. Or if I blew out a bbl in a single day. Ive also got to mow the lawn and clean the cat litter box and stuff so I cant shoot 50,000 rounds in a day from a bolt gun like truly awesome ppl do.

 

[STS]

Well, that’s a great testimonial to that cartridge then.

It is indeed. And to add another factor, most of the rounds on that barrel was with VV N-560. You know, one of those dreaded double base powders that have such a high flame temperature that it will burn a barrel up before you get it sighted in. And in a further attempt to kill off that barrel quickly, I actually abused it by cleaning it frequently with a brush. It's a wonder it lasted 50 rounds.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

It is indeed. And to add another factor, most of the rounds on that barrel was with VV N-560. You know, one of those dreaded double base powders that have such a high flame temperature that it will burn a barrel up before you get it sighted in. And in a further attempt to kill off that barrel quickly, I actually abused it by cleaning it frequently with a brush. It's a wonder it lasted 50 rounds.

Yes Sir. Even if someone seriously hunted and messed around a little at 200 rounds a year, that’s six years of barrel life for your money.

 

[Leo_B]

Yes Sir. Even if someone seriously hunted and messed around a little at 200 rounds a year, that’s six years of barrel life for your money.

And from what was said earlier it's about $800 all in for a replacement ready to go. At 1200 rounds that's still 67c per shot for the barrel. 67c! No clue what components cost is for that round. 175 rounds per pound of powder maybe? At $52.50/lb that's 30c per. 15c per bullet? If not more? Brass 65c each divided by however many times it lasts, 13c with 5 loadings. Primers 8c each? 8+13+15+30=66c+67 is $1.33 per shot with .22 Creedmoor. No wonder I know nothing about that one.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

And from what was said earlier it's about $800 all in for a replacement ready to go. At 1200 rounds that's still 67c per shot for the barrel. 67c! No clue what components cost is for that round. 175 rounds per pound of powder maybe? At $52.50/lb that's 30c per. 15c per bullet? If not more? Brass 65c each divided by however many times it lasts, 13c with 5 loadings. Primers 8c each? 8+13+15+30=66c+67 is $1.33 per shot with .22 Creedmoor. No wonder I know nothing about that one.

Leo, I guess that’s just the cost of this sport if you want to try different things out. Going to the grocery store gripes me a lot worse than the cost of shooting.

 

[Leo_B]

Looking at 22-250 and 4000 round barrel life I think someone projected that's 20c plus 26c powder, 8c primer, 10c brass and 15c bullet, 20+26+8+10+15 is 79c per shot. Ouch still. Ok, my .22 Hornet. What barrel life? Forever? How about 6000? 13c plus 6c brass, 8c powder, 8c primer and 15c bullet, 13+6+8+8+15 is 50c per shot.

 

[Leo_B]

Yes, the cost to play. Could be golf course fees or one of the biggest joke hoaxes of all, cigars. I was just amazed initially with the article, an NRA article I think, saying 800-1100 rounds barrel life. That and learning what replacements cost. I'll just be back under my rock. :shrug: