Fire lapping is without a doubt one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of
Cleaning with Abrasives and using Fire Lapping kits and warranty
- Thread starter FrankG
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I don't drink but I'm tempted to come over and share the next one you open!
AlNyhus
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Jim...you just made me spit coffee all over my keyboard.
Add some of that bullet lube you just got to the mix and you're golden.
I read this while for some reason I’m drinking out of one of my wife’s pink coffee cups, Damn!
I haven't read the thread, but I suspect that 10X if not 100X more barrels are ruined by over-cleaning than under-cleaning. Some fellas just go wacko with it.
Toilet bowl cleaner?
Really?
If you want it REALLY REALLY CLEAN, why not just cut to the chase and use a plasma cutter or oxylance?
Toilet bowl cleaner?
If you want it REALLY REALLY CLEAN, why not just cut to the chase and use a plasma cutter or oxylance?
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Almost fifty years ago, I believe it was John Fry who said cleaning after every group with JB would ruin a barrel inside of 400 rounds. I think you do have to take care. Around sixty years ago, I think it was Charles Askins who advocated using toothpaste and a brush, if a barrel tended to foul badly. I don't recall that he specified a particular brand. I used Colgate on my Lee Enfield. It shot fine before and after. WH
AlNyhus
Silver $$ Contributor
I put a new Bartlein .30 on my VFS gun this season. Dave Tooley did the barrel work and chambering. Long story short, after reading Frank's cleaning recommendations of no brushing, I was still pretty hesitant. Randy Robinett has been telling me for quite a while how's he's been cleaning his Bartlein's (multiple calibers) without brushing. Evidently, I had reached a "teachable moment"....that's a Robinett-ism.... and decided to give it a try. After a while and verifying it with my Hawkeye, I was whiplashed back to the Gomer Pyle USMC show.
Good shootin'
-Al
Good shootin'
-Al
I have to put this out there for the sake of more abrasive argument.....
Yeah the pun was intended. Some times those videos of showing a
known shooter with a brush on a rod, and run with a drill can't be
anything more then a bad April fools joke. Hear me out. The method
shown is basically "HONING". You clean a barrel in a linear motion
and not rotary. Carbon fouling that can be removed from a surface
is now in particle form, and in solution. Your then taking this mix and
running it against the edges of the lands in a rotary fashion. Not too
smart......
Yeah the pun was intended. Some times those videos of showing a
known shooter with a brush on a rod, and run with a drill can't be
anything more then a bad April fools joke. Hear me out. The method
shown is basically "HONING". You clean a barrel in a linear motion
and not rotary. Carbon fouling that can be removed from a surface
is now in particle form, and in solution. Your then taking this mix and
running it against the edges of the lands in a rotary fashion. Not too
smart......
Am I understanding correctly that you never use a brush of any kind for the life of the barrel?I put a new Bartlein .30 on my VFS gun this season. Dave Tooley did the barrel work and chambering. Long story short, after reading Frank's cleaning recommendations of no brushing, I was still pretty hesitant. Randy Robinett has been telling me for quite a while how's he's been cleaning his Bartlein's (multiple calibers) without brushing. Evidently, I had reached a "teachable moment"....that's a Robinett-ism.... and decided to give it a try. After a while and verifying it with my Hawkeye, I was whiplashed back to the Gomer Pyle USMC show.
Good shootin'
AlNyhus
Silver $$ Contributor
Speaking specifically about this barrel, I've shot it all season and have yet to put a brush down it.
How are you cleaning? How long is it taking? I’m assuming it’s shooting great with your method? How’s it looking in your borescope?
Just for grins..... has anyone compiled a list of cleaning regimens from the top 20 or 30 benchrest shooters? Segregate between short range and long range to see if there is a difference.
I always keep in mind that many of the top shooters change barrels more often than most.
I've tried a ton of stuff, including several home made concoctions. None worked that great for carbon. KG12 works on copper the fastest for me. Wipeout foaming seems the easiest for me and I let it sit overnight.
I always keep in mind that many of the top shooters change barrels more often than most.
I've tried a ton of stuff, including several home made concoctions. None worked that great for carbon. KG12 works on copper the fastest for me. Wipeout foaming seems the easiest for me and I let it sit overnight.
jelenko
Gold $$ Contributor
OK.
I'm going to get some stainless steel rods that i can chuck up in my hand drill.
I'm going to see how much abrasive [Iosso] and how long it will take to remove 1/1000 " from the OD of the rod. I've got a nice Mitutoyo micrometer. I'm hoping I can see the tenths go by.
If it takes less than a lifetime, I'll do the same with Flitz.
I'm going to get some stainless steel rods that i can chuck up in my hand drill.
I'm going to see how much abrasive [Iosso] and how long it will take to remove 1/1000 " from the OD of the rod. I've got a nice Mitutoyo micrometer. I'm hoping I can see the tenths go by.
If it takes less than a lifetime, I'll do the same with Flitz.
I’m thinking I’ll just keep doing what I have been doing. My barrel life is good and I clean where it’s pretty shiny. Doesn’t take long. I don’t think I’m going crazy. No drills. I like keeping ahead of it so it’s easier. Witches brew, Montana copper cream, flitz, iosso, yes please, and I love brushes.
Spoiler alert, if I need a new barrel I have 4 ready. 3 Bartleins and a Schneider. I never even considered complaining to a barrel manufacturer about it problem.
Cheers. Go big red.
Spoiler alert, if I need a new barrel I have 4 ready. 3 Bartleins and a Schneider. I never even considered complaining to a barrel manufacturer about it problem.
Cheers. Go big red.
AlNyhus
Silver $$ Contributor
I clean at the end of each yardage. At 100 yds, that will be from 50-60 shots, including the warm up match, sighters and record shots. At 200, it's about 70-80 rounds. This is a 30BR so for other cartridges (6PPC, etc), the cleaning intervals will be different.
-Two wet patches of Accelerator
-Fill the bore with Wipe Out foam
Then I let it sit while I reload my fired cases, etc. After about 20 minutes, patch out the Wipe Out, bore mop the chamber, clean the lug area and head back out with the gun and set wind flags for the 200.
Same routine at the end of the day, except I refill the bore with Wipe Out foam (no Accelerator used). The next day at home, I'll patch that out and get in there with the bore scope to see if there any carbon at the end of the neck area.
Holy smokes to remove 4" of rifling you gotta be getting crazy with it.
jelenko
Gold $$ Contributor
Sounds like you have experience with this.
But, I gotta see it myself.
Is that 30 br a fairly mild fouling round? Seems like it would be.
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