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62 eld vt

Still trying to find the right load but so far I absolutely cannot get these 62eldvt’s to shoot in an 8 twist 22bra.
In my 8 twist .223 Tikka, this bullet, like most of Hornady's very sleek bullets loves to be into the rifling around. 010 to .015. I start at .020 in and work out in .005 increments. Assuming your magazine or anything else will allow this. Mine came alive at .015 in and shoots bugholes for a factory barrel. I also modified the Tikka magazine to work with the longer oal and it feeds like milk through a goose! Good luck.
Paul
 
In my 8 twist .223 Tikka, this bullet, like most of Hornady's very sleek bullets loves to be into the rifling around. 010 to .015. I start at .020 in and work out in .005 increments. Assuming your magazine or anything else will allow this. Mine came alive at .015 in and shoots bugholes for a factory barrel. I also modified the Tikka magazine to work with the longer oal and it feeds like milk through a goose! Good luck.
Paul

I do jam the crap out of the 88 ELDM. And the nose looks EXACTLY the same as the 62 eldvt.
 
Everybody is forgetting the most fundamental concept to accuracy.
It is not about the powder, primer or case, or even bullet jump into the lands(sort of, explained later).
What it is about, is having a perfectly balanced bullet and the point where the bullet leaves the end of the barrel, where the position of the barrel is at its ZERO point in the harmonic resonance cycle of the barrel.
(Note: heavier barrels are easier to get accuracy from as their harmonics are greatly reduced, less flex, because of the thickness of the steel).

So what affects the harmonics of a barrel as the bullet is traveling down the barrel:
- barrel thickness
- barrel length
- pressure curve in the barrel as the bullet travels through it, which leads to the final velocity of the bullet exiting the barrel.

What influences the pressure curve behind the bullet going through the barrel:
- powder charge
- primer(somewhat)
- case volume(somewhate)
- bore tightness
- how many lands
- how smooth the bore is
- barrel length
- bullet jump(affects the pressure curve)

Now about bullet jump, it affects the pressure curve and final velocity of the bullet exiting the barrel, which the velocity in turn, is also affecting the point in the harmonic cycle of the barrel.
(Note: do you really believe that wether you are jumping .010 or .030 or jamming the bullet into the lands, has any affect on the bullet accuracy as it is being squished and rotated down the length of the stove pipe... NO...
All that is being affected is the final bullet velocity and the harmonic point the barrel is at when the bullet exits).

Now about twist rate. You need to have the bullet traveling in flight, to be very balanced as it rotates. This begins with a high quality balanced bullet and a twist rate that will keep it spinning without falling out of balance in flight. The bullet mfg will let you know twist rate and velocity required for a peticular bullet.

Another super important factor in achieving accuracy, is using a bullet that touches into the lands before the base of the bullet has come out of the case neck. Otherwise the bullet has free-float before touching lands and it can be driven into the lands off the center of its eccentricity, then it is squished and rotated, exiting the barrel in a wobble state to start off with. NO accuracy. So when using boat-tail bullets, this holds true that the shoulder base, where the boat-tail begins, must be in the case still as the bullet is going into the lands.

So what does this all mean. Use your favorite powder, favorite primer, favorite case(all these don't really mater), set for a forgiving bullet jump, because what you are looking for is the velocity(using your favorite components above and powder charge) that gives you that cloverleaf bullet hole group at 100yds. Then you have found the point in the harmonic cycle of the barrel where it is at the ZERO point. This is the velocity for your barrel with that bullet weight. So now if you change any componet (keeping bullet weight the same), you just need to load to the same velocity and your accuracy will be there. Now if you change bullet weight, you need to find the new velocity where your barrel is at the ZERO point in the harmonic cycle. This will be the new velocity for that bullet weight.

(Note of interest: I know 223rem shooters that use 40gr bullets at 3700fps, jumping .200" to the lands, that shoot ragged one-hole groups, so the people that think you need those tight jumps to the lands, not true).

I hope this helps all who are loading to find that great accuracy point; the VELOCITY where the barrel is at its ZERO point in its harmonic cycle as the bullet exits the barrel. This is usually the point where you get those ragged one-hole, cloverleaf groups.

Cheers...
 
Everybody is forgetting the most fundamental concept to accuracy.
It is not about the powder, primer or case, or even bullet jump into the lands(sort of, explained later).
What it is about, is having a perfectly balanced bullet and the point where the bullet leaves the end of the barrel, where the position of the barrel is at its ZERO point in the harmonic resonance cycle of the barrel.
(Note: heavier barrels are easier to get accuracy from as their harmonics are greatly reduced, less flex, because of the thickness of the steel).

So what affects the harmonics of a barrel as the bullet is traveling down the barrel:
- barrel thickness
- barrel length
- pressure curve in the barrel as the bullet travels through it, which leads to the final velocity of the bullet exiting the barrel.

What influences the pressure curve behind the bullet going through the barrel:
- powder charge
- primer(somewhat)
- case volume(somewhate)
- bore tightness
- how many lands
- how smooth the bore is
- barrel length
- bullet jump(affects the pressure curve)

Now about bullet jump, it affects the pressure curve and final velocity of the bullet exiting the barrel, which the velocity in turn, is also affecting the point in the harmonic cycle of the barrel.
(Note: do you really believe that wether you are jumping .010 or .030 or jamming the bullet into the lands, has any affect on the bullet accuracy as it is being squished and rotated down the length of the stove pipe... NO...
All that is being affected is the final bullet velocity and the harmonic point the barrel is at when the bullet exits).

Now about twist rate. You need to have the bullet traveling in flight, to be very balanced as it rotates. This begins with a high quality balanced bullet and a twist rate that will keep it spinning without falling out of balance in flight. The bullet mfg will let you know twist rate and velocity required for a peticular bullet.

Another super important factor in achieving accuracy, is using a bullet that touches into the lands before the base of the bullet has come out of the case neck. Otherwise the bullet has free-float before touching lands and it can be driven into the lands off the center of its eccentricity, then it is squished and rotated, exiting the barrel in a wobble state to start off with. NO accuracy. So when using boat-tail bullets, this holds true that the shoulder base, where the boat-tail begins, must be in the case still as the bullet is going into the lands.

So what does this all mean. Use your favorite powder, favorite primer, favorite case(all these don't really mater), set for a forgiving bullet jump, because what you are looking for is the velocity(using your favorite components above and powder charge) that gives you that cloverleaf bullet hole group at 100yds. Then you have found the point in the harmonic cycle of the barrel where it is at the ZERO point. This is the velocity for your barrel with that bullet weight. So now if you change any componet (keeping bullet weight the same), you just need to load to the same velocity and your accuracy will be there. Now if you change bullet weight, you need to find the new velocity where your barrel is at the ZERO point in the harmonic cycle. This will be the new velocity for that bullet weight.

(Note of interest: I know 223rem shooters that use 40gr bullets at 3700fps, jumping .200" to the lands, that shoot ragged one-hole groups, so the people that think you need those tight jumps to the lands, not true).

I hope this helps all who are loading to find that great accuracy point; the VELOCITY where the barrel is at its ZERO point in its harmonic cycle as the bullet exits the barrel. This is usually the point where you get those ragged one-hole, cloverleaf groups.

Cheers...
I'm not willing to say that any of this isn't true, and in-fact, I think that it IS true for the most part. However, it fails to explain why some load combinations simply will not shoot accurately. In other words, it doesn't explain why I get a ragged one hole group with 7mm 140gr NBTs at 2700 fps using N140, but NOT when using BLC-2. It also doesn't explain why shorter, fatter cartridges generally have wider accuracy nodes than longer, skinnier cartridges do.
 
Has anyone measured the 62gr ELD-VT for consistency?

I have found the ELD-M series extremely consistent (and accurate) in OAL (+/-.001) and BTO (+/-.002), with the exception that "bulk" batches on sale at Midway, which are consistent in OAL but you have to sort by BTO as they are mixed with a difference of .010. I'm working my way through a box of "Factory Seconds" to see what percentage are each BTO. They don't vary by .010, just seem to have been made on two different swaging presses, as they are "either or", and nothing in between,
 
Has anyone measured the 62gr ELD-VT for consistency?

I have found the ELD-M series extremely consistent (and accurate) in OAL (+/-.001) and BTO (+/-.002), with the exception that "bulk" batches on sale at Midway, which are consistent in OAL but you have to sort by BTO as they are mixed with a difference of .010. I'm working my way through a box of "Factory Seconds" to see what percentage are each BTO. They don't vary by .010, just seem to have been made on two different swaging presses, as they are "either or", and nothing in between,
Of the two lot numbers of 62gr ELD-VT that I have measured, and shot was: +Zero to -.003" BTO
 
Thanks, that's what I was looking for.

What is your accuracy on target experience at what velocity range?

Appreciate it.
At 100 Yards. I have shot the 62grn ELD-VT out of three rifles, (1) 7-twist 22BR and (2) 8-twist 22 Dashers. Keep the 62grn ELD-VT 3500ish fps and below to get good groups. I shot them a quick as 3700fps however, would always get a flyer.
I email Hornady and asked about the Max FPS. They really didn't answer my question, just got a "Make Him Feel-Good" email back.

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At 100 Yards. I have shot the 62grn ELD-VT out of three rifles, (1) 7-twist 22BR and (2) 8-twist 22 Dashers. Keep the 62grn ELD-VT 3500ish fps and below to get good groups. I shot them a quick as 3700fps however, would always get a flyer.
I email Hornady and asked about the Max FPS. They really didn't answer my question, just got a "Make Him Feel-Good" email back.

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Fantastic! Great shooting.

This is exactly what I needed to know, Saves me a lot of time, trouble and money.

I will be shooting from a 28in 1:8 barrel in 223AI, expecting 3100-3200fps.

I asked Hornady tech about bearing surface, which is .263, but forgot to ask about seating depth.

Every VLD bullet I've ever shot likes to jump .030-.060. Have you had a chance to investigate that yet?

Many thanks
 
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Fantastic! Great shooting.

This is exactly what I needed to know, Saves me a lot of time, trouble and money.

I will be shooting from a 28in 1:8 barrel in 223AI, expecting 3100-3200fps.

I asked Hornady tech about bearing surface, which is .263, but forgot to ask about seating depth.

Every VLD bullet I've ever shot likes to jump .030-.060. Have you had a chance to investigate that yet?

Many thanks
I always start at the rifling and have had good results starting there. The groups that I posted were with the bullets seated at the rifling. I also shoot the 53grn V-Max bullet at 3900+ fps in one of my 22 Dasher rifles and really like that bullet's performance. The 62grn ELD-VT seems to be a step up from the 53grn V-Max.
 
I always start at the rifling and have had good results starting there. The groups that I posted were with the bullets seated at the rifling. I also shoot the 53grn V-Max bullet at 3900+ fps in one of my 22 Dasher rifles and really like that bullet's performance. The 62grn ELD-VT seems to be a step up from the 53grn V-Max.
Good to know. Glad you mentioned the 53gr VMAX. Never tried them, but they have an impressive BC for weight. You get a lot of bang for your buck with Hornady bullets.
When you say the 62gr is a "step up" from the 53gr, are you referring to accuracy, or just BC?

Keep the great info coming. You've already saved me many trips to the range.
 
Good to know. Glad you mentioned the 53gr VMAX. Never tried them, but they have an impressive BC for weight. You get a lot of bang for your buck with Hornady bullets.
When you say the 62gr is a "step up" from the 53gr, are you referring to accuracy, or just BC?

Keep the great info coming. You've already saved me many trips to the range.
Start seating depth at .020 in and work your way out. Only one way to go. It would not surprise me if your rifle comes alive at .015 in as most of my rifles shoot one hole at that seating depth with most VLD style bullets. Good luck and keep us posted.
Paul
 
Start seating depth at .020 in and work your way out. Only one way to go. It would not surprise me if your rifle comes alive at .015 in as most of my rifles shoot one hole at that seating depth with most VLD style bullets. Good luck and keep us posted.
Paul
Thanks Paul.

Only problem I may have is that my chamber has a long FB. Have to see how much BS is left in the neck when I reach the lands.

Bob
 
Good to know. Glad you mentioned the 53gr VMAX. Never tried them, but they have an impressive BC for weight. You get a lot of bang for your buck with Hornady bullets.
When you say the 62gr is a "step up" from the 53gr, are you referring to accuracy, or just BC?

Keep the great info coming. You've already saved me many trips to the range.

More hits. Bigger explosion. But the 53 VMAX is no slouch. The two top exploders are the 62 ELDVT and the 53 VMAX.
 
We set the 62 eldvt at 20 jump and went to the range first day. It was shooting 3 shot groups about a 45 cal hole in the Urbanrifleman 8 twist barrels.

We have never had any issues getting them to shoot.

I'll be interested to see how they do being overspun in the 7 twist. Which is the next test.
 
Good to know. Glad you mentioned the 53gr VMAX. Never tried them, but they have an impressive BC for weight. You get a lot of bang for your buck with Hornady bullets.
When you say the 62gr is a "step up" from the 53gr, are you referring to accuracy, or just BC?

Keep the great info coming. You've already saved me many trips to the range.
To answer your question on what I ment by saying the 62gr seems to be a "step up" from the 53gr.
I should be able to shoot the 62gr. ELD-VT at a greater distance with the same explosive performance as the 53gr V-Max bullets due to the higher BC and weight of the 62grn bullets.
 

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