CCI SV Question

[K22]

I am a novice rimfire rifle target shooter (recreational only). I got back into rimfire rifle shooting last year, purchasing a Tikka T1X. I shoot 50 yards off a Bipod and rear rest on the bench. I am shooting an NRA A17 target which has a 1.5" bull. I've used nothing but CCI Standard Velocity ammo.

Occasionally I get an inexplicable flyer meaning one in the 5 ring (outside the 1.5" bull) and on rarer occasions an extreme flyer outside the 5 ring.

My question is this, for those of you who shoot this ammo regularly, what to do experience relative to flyers meaning a shot well outside the norm of other shots. I am fairly confident this is ammo related since the flyers occur at random and I have a very solid rest and I mostly shooting 8 ring (.80") shots.

 

[dutch14]

The a17 target is designed to be used at 50 feet. So you are making it hard on yourself. I shoot cci sv out of a stock 10-22 ruger, prone, off a bi-pod. I expect groups to average just over an inch. I get similar results with my 455 varmint and my ruger american rimfire. Out of 30-5 shot groups I might get 1 or 2 that are 1.5 inches or larger. I have a 10-22 with a green mt bull barrel that will average .6 to .7 with cci sv. At 7 cents a round, I don't think you will find many competitors shooting it in matches. For american made it is above average in the accuracy department.

 

[Straightshooter1]

I am a novice rimfire rifle target shooter (recreational only). I got back into rimfire rifle shooting last year, purchasing a Tikka T1X. I shoot 50 yards off a Bipod and rear rest on the bench. I am shooting an NRA A17 target which has a 1.5" bull. I've used nothing but CCI Standard Velocity ammo.

Occasionally I get an inexplicable flyer meaning one in the 5 ring (outside the 1.5" bull) and on rarer occasions an extreme flyer outside the 5 ring.

My question is this, for those of you who shoot this ammo regularly, what to do experience relative to flyers meaning a shot well outside the norm of other shots. I am fairly confident this is ammo related since the flyers occur at random and I have a very solid rest and I mostly shooting 8 ring (.80") shots.

Yes, I have shot CCI SV's a lot and will get a flyer like that. While CCI's SVs are not what I would call something that would compete with the likes of higher grade rimfire ammo (e.g. Center-X, Eley Target, Eley Tenex, RWS R50, SK Rifle Match), SV's are a very good value. From what I can tell, many times I've noted that there's some dings on the bullet and/or it's driver band that can cause this. The best solution I found to mitigate such events is to inspect and cull the dinged ones out, or . . . upgrade your ammo.

PS: I'll point out too that the SD's one gets with SV's aren't quite as good as one gets with the top of the line ammo.

 

[SteveOak]

Last fall I bought a 1911 Bullseye pistol with a Nelson Custom Conversion. The guy I bought it from said to use CCI SV.

I have barely shot it.

Two weeks ago I shot 10 shots from a rest. It was ~ 2.5". Then I shot 10 shots of SK Semi-Auto. It was ~ 1.25".

 

[dusterdave173]

I have been in the rim fire game a few years--when we were raw rookies the internet echo of CCI Sv was still around--Ok shot some --Nope! It was a little above the cheapo walmat stuff--made our way to real quality ammo and never looked back Ok last month a guy shows up at our range--looked to need some help so OK--he pulls out a Vintage Ruger 10/22 and some very old CCI SV-said it was his late fathers had been stored for a Long time--well...long story short--I shot some of that ammo in my well tuned CZ--3 rounds went in the exact same hole at 50 yds--3 more same deal--It was like the best Center X I had ever seen! It was stunning--So---I now know where the legend started--but the stuff they sell these days is nothing and I mean Nothing like that batch of CCI

 

[Straightshooter1]

I have been in the rim fire game a few years--when we were raw rookies the internet echo of CCI Sv was still around--Ok shot some --Nope! It was a little above the cheapo walmat stuff--made our way to real quality ammo and never looked back Ok last month a guy shows up at our range--looked to need some help so OK--he pulls out a Vintage Ruger 10/22 and some very old CCI SV-said it was his late fathers had been stored for a Long time--well...long story short--I shot some of that ammo in my well tuned CZ--3 rounds went in the exact same hole at 50 yds--3 more same deal--It was like the best Center X I had ever seen! It was stunning--So---I now know where the legend started--but the stuff they sell these days is nothing and I mean Nothing like that batch of CCI

Because CCI SV's were just ok, I thought I'd try the Green Tag and thought they'd perform along the level of Center-X or better; thinking that high price suggests higher levels of quality control. I was super disappointed, as it actually did worse than any of the SV's I ever used. Because of the high price, I felt like I was ripped off. I still have 200 rounds of the brick of GT's I bought and can't bring myself to use them. . . except for maybe some day plinking with them like I would for Federal AutoMatch.

 

[K22]

The a17 target is designed to be used at 50 feet. So you are making it hard on yourself. I shoot cci sv out of a stock 10-22 ruger, prone, off a bi-pod. I expect groups to average just over an inch. I get similar results with my 455 varmint and my ruger american rimfire. Out of 30-5 shot groups I might get 1 or 2 that are 1.5 inches or larger. I have a 10-22 with a green mt bull barrel that will average .6 to .7 with cci sv. At 7 cents a round, I don't think you will find many competitors shooting it in matches. For american made it is above average in the accuracy department.

Yea, the A17 is not designed for 50 yards but I like the design with the 1 1/2" bull and the scoring rings 0.50, 0.80, 1.12, and 1.50". There are the 10 bulls, one sighter per target. I shoot 3 shot groups on each bull for a total of 30 shots. It's a way to score my shooting and access performance. It's also easy to score a 3 shot group.

I am going to stick with the CCI because it is economical and easy to obtain locally plus I am just trying to get in some more trigger time. I was just wondering what others experienced with this ammo. Thanks for you input.

 

[Straightshooter1]

Yea, the A17 is not designed for 50 yards but I like the design with the 1 1/2" bull and the scoring rings 0.50, 0.80, 1.12, and 1.50". There are the 10 bulls, one sighter per target. I shoot 3 shot groups on each bull for a total of 30 shots. It's a way to score my shooting and access performance. It's also easy to score a 3 shot group.

I am going to stick with the CCI because it is economical and easy to obtain locally plus I am just trying to get in some more trigger time. I was just wondering what others experienced with this ammo. Thanks for you input.

Trigger time is what I most often use my 22LR's for as I much prefer that than just dry firing. The feedback I get from the targets has helped me a lot with my center fire shooting. I like to use quality 22LR ammo for that feedback, though not always. I do shoot more the SV's than anything else. Sometimes, I just like to have fun shooting at something other and bullseye targets. . . like this bug target, trying to do head shots at 50 yds. on a no wind morning (this one using Center-X ):

 

[K22]

Trigger time is what I most often use my 22LR's for as I much prefer that than just dry firing. The feedback I get from the targets has helped me a lot with my center fire shooting. I like to use quality 22LR ammo for that feedback, though not always. I do shoot more the SV's than anything else. Sometimes, I just like to have fun shooting at something other and bullseye targets. . . like this bug target, trying to do head shots at 50 yds. on a no wind morning (this one using Center-X ):

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I missed my first fly yesterday shooting my Tikka T1X. Going to "paint" some honey on the target next 22 range session and try again. I may have discovered a new shooting discipline, "fly hunting".

The most important advantage for me in starting up 22 rimfire rifle shooting again after a long hiatus is that it's another way to get out of the house and go to the range and have some fun without breaking my budget. Still, it's more fun putting all those shot within in the bull but for financial reasons, I going to accept an occasional flyer with the affordable CCI ammo.

 

[Squirrelhunter17]

The best kept secret in a lot of Rimfire sporters in regards to ammo is Norma tac 22. For some reason in 18.5in barrel or longer, it has shot as good for me as any SK and some eley products. At the price point of the Norma (~4.99/50) it is certainly worth a shot. Cci and blazer have both always produced flyers for me. Sometimes as much as 0.5-1in. Glad you are shooting the rimfires and hope you continue to enjoy them. You started off with one of the best factory 22 sporters right out of the box. The Jard trigger upgrade for 100$ may be worth it, but I was able to get mine done to just under a pound and a good friend of mine fit it to a nice wood t3x stock to give it the classic sporter feel and look I was after. The tighter group is tac 22 at 50yds the cci std is labeled. Happy shooting! SH

 

[drover]

I shoot both CCI S/V and Norma TAC as practice ammo in my T1x and while they are pretty much equal group wise I have found Norma TAC tends to shoot groups that are more round - which to me is an indication of consistency.
When I am testing a rifle / ammo I shoot 10 shot groups - I can get a better idea of what to expect by doing that.

I sure like that wood stock on the T1, I wish I could find one at a reasonable price for mine.

drover

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

I am a novice rimfire rifle target shooter (recreational only). I got back into rimfire rifle shooting last year, purchasing a Tikka T1X. I shoot 50 yards off a Bipod and rear rest on the bench. I am shooting an NRA A17 target which has a 1.5" bull. I've used nothing but CCI Standard Velocity ammo.

Occasionally I get an inexplicable flyer meaning one in the 5 ring (outside the 1.5" bull) and on rarer occasions an extreme flyer outside the 5 ring.

My question is this, for those of you who shoot this ammo regularly, what to do experience relative to flyers meaning a shot well outside the norm of other shots. I am fairly confident this is ammo related since the flyers occur at random and I have a very solid rest and I mostly shooting 8 ring (.80") shots.

OPTIMAL Group's, out of my Green Mountain 20", SS Barreled, Custom 10-22 Ruger,.. come From,..
SK-Std Plus, SK- Std and Wolf Match Extra, ammo AND at, very little, Extra Cost over the other, standard velocity ammo with,.. NO, "Flyers" seen at, 50 yards. I also have, a Brick of, SK, Pistol Match,.. still to Try.
My Rifle Likes Velocities in the 1150 to 1180 FPS "Range" best & will shoot some Stuff up to 1285 fps ish, "OK".
I now AVOID, the Fed Auto Match ammo, as it HAS,.. very SOFT, Lead !
I HAVE, a very Accurate Rem 700, .22-250,.. IF, i need to Reach Past,.. 85 - 90 Yards, on Sage Rats.
Sometimes I get Lucky, Buying, a cheap Brick of, Winchester 36 gr. HP's @ 1260- 1280 FPS that,.. Shoot WELL !
My Longest Kill, on a Sage Rat was, 85 yards with, the Above ^^^ group "Tested" ammo.
CCI HP, Mini Mag's, work Okay for, Hunting / small Varmint shooting, Ammo,.. but, once in a While, I will get, a "Flyer" from them.

 

[K22]

OPTIMAL Group's, out of my Green Mountain 20", SS Barreled, Custom 10-22 Ruger,.. come From,..
SK-Plus, SK- Std and Wolf Match Extra, ammo AND at, very little, Extra Cost over the other, standard velocity ammo with,.. NO, "Flyers" seen at, 50 yards. I also have, a Brick of, SK, Pistol Match,.. still to Try.
My Rifle Likes Velocities in the 1150 to 1180 FPS "Range" best & will shoot some Stuff up to 1285 fps ish, "OK".
I now AVOID, the Fed Auto Match ammo, as it HAS,.. very SOFT, Lead !
I HAVE, a very Accurate Rem 700, .22-250,.. IF, i need to Reach Past,.. 85 - 90 Yards, on Sage Rats.
Sometimes I get Lucky, Buying, a cheap Brick of, Winchester 36 gr. HP's @ 1260- 1280 FPS that,.. Shoot WELL !
My Longest Kill, on a Sage Rat was, 85 yards with, the Above ^^^ group "Tested" ammo.
CCI HP, Mini Mag's, work Okay for, Hunting / small Varmint shooting, Ammo,.. but, once in a While, I will get, a "Flyer" from them.

Thanks for the info.

 

[snert]

K22, I recently moved to Eley HP subsonic after testing three different Eley types in my Rem 541T. I used to use Remington subsonic. The difference was amazing...from Rem to Eley. EWven crazier was that the HP outshot the other two Eley significantly. I bouhgt 1000 and paid about $110. It has been worth it...now when I miss a fly, I blame me, not guess it is the ammo!

I couldn't swing Sk since I would have had to buy more in bulk, and was not able to test any. So I understand the $$ side of it. I know you are in central PA...my supplier is in western PA near Ohio. Just FYI

 

[Dgd6mm]

My Tikka T1X group testing at 50 yards. Small sample
CCI Standard Velocity
5 5shot groups. Average .766" OTO.
Largest .995" Smallest .474"

 

[K22]

K22, I recently moved to Eley HP subsonic after testing three different Eley types in my Rem 541T. I used to use Remington subsonic. The difference was amazing...from Rem to Eley. EWven crazier was that the HP outshot the other two Eley significantly. I bouhgt 1000 and paid about $110. It has been worth it...now when I miss a fly, I blame me, not guess it is the ammo!

I couldn't swing Sk since I would have had to buy more in bulk, and was not able to test any. So I understand the $$ side of it. I know you are in central PA...my supplier is in western PA near Ohio. Just FYI

Back in the 60's and 70's, Remington Target Standard Velocity was outstanding. Our pistol team would buy and entire lot, 100K rounds. We tested it at 50 yards on a Ransom Rest. In high quality pistols, such as the S&W Model 41, it would hold an X ring. An occasional flyer was no worse than a 10 ring.

When I was in the Army (70 -72) and shot on the post pistol team, we were supplied with Remington Target ammo for our 22 pistols. It shot terrific.

Something happened in the late 80's because our club pistol team began getting a lot of misfires, extreme flyers, and squib loads. We switched to CCI Standard Velocity. Misfires were extremely rare and continue to be so even today. It's very reliable functionally but doesn't seem to possess the same consistent accuracy as the old Remington Target.

Of course, rifle target shooting is a lot more exacting. What I consider a flyer with the rifle would be a X ring for the pistol or at worse, a 10. I am limited locally what is available, but I am going to look around and maybe try something different if the cost isn't too earth shattering.

As I said, I am new era rifle target shooter. I was a tin can, shotgun hulls, and rat shooter in my youth. In college (66-70) I shot 3 position rimfire. Again, it was Remington Target that we used.

Thanks for your input.

 

[justinp61]

I use CCI SV for plinking in my T1X, it shoots okay, but SK Std. Plus is much more consistent.

 

[Stubee]

CCI SV is decent ammo that can deliver some good groups but also not so good. Overall results will differ with the rifle. My CZ 453V averaged nearly an inch with groups from 0.595”-1.376”. I think those would shrink a bit after I learned that rifle liked lower torque settings and it groups much better with SK and other ammo. I only shot 5 groups with my old 52B and it averaged 0.535” with two lots of CCI SV. The 52 seems less sensitive to ammo than my CZ.

 

[stacy]

I don’t have any luck with CCI Standard anymore this new run of them my rifles just don’t like them

 

[dellet]

You could always go down the path of sorting what you have, it’s free, but time consuming. What it generally does is convince you that for another $20 you could have gone to the range a couple more days and shot better groups, instead of spending that time sorting. But It helps.

Weighing is free, you probably already have a scale.
Sorting rim thickness can be done using a 22 centerfire case that is square.
If you have a concentricity gauge small enough, you can add that step.
Checking base to ogive gets tricky without a purchase, but a square fired 22 lr case or sized 22 centerfire case can work.

The more you check the more potential flyers you find, then shoot the culls and compare to the sorted group and decide of its worth it.

I do this for 22 shorts because there are very limited choices and it makes a difference. For 22 LR, I buy better ammo. Makes a bigger difference with much less aggravation and time spent.