I want a new hotrod - 22creedmoor

[L1986]

I have used a 22-250AI for quite a while on prairie dogs…basically the same as the creedmore..I shoot the 75 eldx now and used the amax before they went extinct and in my experience spotting hits much under 300 yards would need a break. I haven’t weighed my current one but I’m guessing it’s in the 17lb range and I was able to spot hits on dogs somewhat regularly past 400 if I managed the recoil properly. If you want a hot rod to spot close in hits you want a light bullet going fast from and smaller case…best for me is a 17fb but none of my rifles have cans or breaks so that would probably change things a lot. Any of the 20 cals off the 223 case should also work well for what your wanting

 

[65swede]

I have used a 22-250AI for quite a while on prairie dogs…basically the same as the creedmore..I shoot the 75 eldx now and used the amax before they went extinct and in my experience spotting hits much under 300 yards would need a break. I haven’t weighed my current one but I’m guessing it’s in the 17lb range and I was able to spot hits on dogs somewhat regularly past 400 if I managed the recoil properly. If you want a hot rod to spot close in hits you want a light bullet going fast from and smaller case…best for me is a 17fb but none of my rifles have cans or breaks so that would probably change things a lot. Any of the 20 cals off the 223 case should also work well for what your wanting

Thanks for that info. I'd be shooting suppressed so it sounds manageable with the larger 22s. My deadair sandman-s adds a good amount of weight to the muzzle and does a pretty fair job of reducing recoil with the e-brake. The AB raptor 10 is a new can I'll be trying on the dog patch this year, light weight but does hell of a job taming recoil on my 338 edge.

 

[JB10]

Look at the 22xc. Brother in law built one a few years back, thing shoots good

 

[Ryan66]

Regarding recoil and spotting hits - I’m shooting a 22-250 with a mdt elite muzzle brake. A bergara HMR that is currently sitting in an Aero Precision Solus chassis and all kitted out weighs in the 14-15lb range.
When doing 100yd and 200yd load work ups at 25x I would say a person cannot spot hits. If moving to the 200-300yd line and backing down to 20x or less than I would say it’s possible - however this is under ideal conditions shooting from a bench/front rest/rear bag.
The light fast 55gr pills seem to recoil just a bit less than the heavier slower 75gr - small difference but I can tell when shooting both side by side.

The extra horsepower of the creed vs my 22-250 I’m sure will make the rifle move even more. Anything to get weight out front like your suppressor or a heavier contour barrel I think will make a big difference!

 

[GT Accuracy]

I do a lot of 22 cal's leading into spring for Pdogs and groundhogs here in the east. To echo @urbanrifleman and a few others, the 22 creed really excels at the 75 gr up bullet choices. I have had the most accuracy with the 80.5 Berger myself but the 75 hornady is a good bullet as well.

If you are looking for a fun, fast, 500 yard cartridge the 22 PPC, 22 BR and 22 Dasher are your friends, esp on a PDog mound. The right powder column for that bullet and more than enough speed for anyone.

The 22 Creed, for me at least, is not a high volume shooter, which is what pdogin' is all about.

However, if you just want to see them go POOF, get revs and speed both. The revs are what really make them eject body parts all over the prairie. .

 

[6xcshooter]

Read all these posts and nobody mentioned my favorite of the bigger 22s. That is the 22x47 lapua. I have 22 creed also but the 47L is my favorite. It shot great right from the beginning. With the berger 80.5 bullet at 3385 fps it shoots under 1/4 inch.

 

[Mark W]

I’ve been thinking about resurrecting my 22-243AI or possibly a 22-6mm AI. My barrels are here for a good time, not a long time.

 

[cb186]

I'm thinking about a new rifle for the dog patch. Considering a 22creed but curious to know how well can hits be spotted from a 14-16lb bench gun??

I want to see the carnage and produce maximum splatter factor without too much fussing with brass. Does the 22creed and 53gr VMAX deliver?

What distance do you want to use it for? I spun up a 26" 8twist 22creed last year, as well as a 22-250ai 12 twist. I thought the creed shooting 75 eldm's @3500 was going to be king. But honestly, the AI shooting 53's @4000 was superior out to 500.
I am testing the new 62VT's in the creed right now. 3800 is no issue, just need to improve the accuracy a bit before I'll commit to it for next months trip.

 

[Hntnhrd]

22 creed in my opinion might bounce your sight target off even in a 16 pound bench gun. 22 br should give some serious splat factor.
There are a couple videos on this post that show the splat factor of a 39 grain Bk going 4200 fps out of a 20 br. Speed kills

Took the ladies to the dance last week

Been picking up some good info on this site. Found it while searching for a set of 22 br dies that a member had in the classifieds here. I don’t have a lot to offer in the way of info but thought I would post a couple pictures of my Praire Dog guns to at least contribute!! Got a chance to...

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[65swede]

22 creed in my opinion might bounce your sight target off even in a 16 pound bench gun. 22 br should give some serious splat factor.
There are a couple videos on this post that show the splat factor of a 39 grain Bk going 4200 fps out of a 20 br. Speed kills

Took the ladies to the dance last week

Been picking up some good info on this site. Found it while searching for a set of 22 br dies that a member had in the classifieds here. I don’t have a lot to offer in the way of info but thought I would post a couple pictures of my Praire Dog guns to at least contribute!! Got a chance to...

forum.accurateshooter.com

I should have known this wouldn't be easy. I have all but written off the 22creed. I've been going back and forth between the 22br /variants and 20practical. Now I have the very tempting 20br dangled in front of me and suddenly there is a third contender.

I intend to put this rifle together on my own, this will be my first diy build. I was intent on keeping brass prep to a minimum, but that might not be a deal breaker anymore.

 

[65swede]

What distance do you want to use it for? I spun up a 26" 8twist 22creed last year, as well as a 22-250ai 12 twist. I thought the creed shooting 75 eldm's @3500 was going to be king. But honestly, the AI shooting 53's @4000 was superior out to 500.
I am testing the new 62VT's in the creed right now. 3800 is no issue, just need to improve the accuracy a bit before I'll commit to it for next months trip.

Where I do most of my p-dogging, shots are typically under 250yards. I'm not opposed to extending my range, I've just been shooting 223rem with 53gr v-max and 222rem with 50gr tnt. I've walked some 53gr vmax into some 400yard shots, but even then it can be difficult to see the misses. There are plenty of opportunities to take 500-600+ yard shots where I shoot. I dont think I have a rifle suited for the task just yet. 22br is looking good, but I also like the price of brass for the 20practical.

 

[cb186]

Where I do most of my p-dogging, shots are typically under 250yards. I'm not opposed to extending my range, I've just been shooting 223rem with 53gr v-max and 222rem with 50gr tnt. I've walked some 53gr vmax into some 400yard shots, but even then it can be difficult to see the misses. There are plenty of opportunities to take 500-600+ yard shots where I shoot. I dont think I have a rifle suited for the task just yet. 22br is looking good, but I also like the price of brass for the 20practical.

I built a 20P this year, so those will be my 3 guns for the trip. Light and fast for 500 and in is my approach now.

 

[Hntnhrd]

20 practical really is the east button. With a 32 grain ballistic tip it’s zipping along at 4000 fps. But I am having 22 br put together this year also! From my own research I would say 22 br is in the range of a 22-250. 20 practical with a 39 grain BK or 40 grain Nosler maybe just a little bit fast and the 32 nosler at the 4000 mark. 223 bolt face action ( 20 practical ) seem harder to find lately then hens teeth. .308 bolt face actions are readily more available ( BR family). They are all fun and Praire dogs despise them all!!

 

[65swede]

20 practical really is the east button. With a 32 grain ballistic tip it’s zipping along at 4000 fps. But I am having 22 br put together this year also! From my own research I would say 22 br is in the range of a 22-250. 20 practical with a 39 grain BK or 40 grain Nosler maybe just a little bit fast and the 32 nosler at the 4000 mark. 223 bolt face action ( 20 practical ) seem harder to find lately then hens teeth. .308 bolt face actions are readily more available ( BR family). They are all fun and Praire dogs despise them all!!

I was planning on a 308 bolt face but also have a 223 bolt I could vulture from another rifle that is not being shot much lately. I estimate the rifle will weigh 13-14lbs with optic. I have a nice original 40x stock that I wanted to use along with a stainless single shot action. 22br seems easy. Is a 14# rifle adequate to manage the recoil of the 22br? The terminal performance of your 20br disintegrator look outstanding!

 

[Hntnhrd]

My 20 br weighs around 9.5 pounds and just bounces off target slightly .I am guessing that at 13 to 14 pounds you should see the results.

 

[1lessdog]

If you are going that big you should shoot the 75 ELDM. About double the bc. Way more hits.

This is not a hotrod ^^^

A 22-6MM AI with a 1 - 14 twist shooting Sierra Blitzking 50 gr at over 4300 FPS is a hotrod. The other are want a be hotrods.

 

[urbanrifleman]

This is not a hotrod ^^^

A 22-6MM AI with a 1 - 14 twist shooting Sierra Blitzking 50 gr at over 4300 FPS is a hotrod. The other are want a be hotrods.

Oh that's just silly.

I've got a video on my phone that a customer sent me of him shooting a groundhog with the Hornady 80 ELDX. I think he had it going about 3,600 ft per second. It literally split it in two. I'm not talking about a prairie dog here. I'm talking about a groundhog. Literally opened it up like hit it with a battle axe in the center. Filleted groundhog.

And I'm not going to go into all this silliness about making these little bitty bullets go fast as a hot rod. Because the higher ballistic coefficient bullets are actually going faster when they hit the target. Because those little bullets slow down so fast. Muzzle velocity does not equal terminal velocity.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I took some screens captures from the movie he sent me. Now keep in mind, this is not a prairie dog. This is a groundhog. A groundhog is the size of a raccoon or larger. This Hornady 80 ELDX sent this groundhog into mid-air while it split it in two. This non hot rod launched a groundhog two feet in the air. That's about a 6 to 10 lb animal.

 

[65swede]

I took some screens captures from the movie he sent me. Now keep in mind, this is not a prairie dog. This is a groundhog. A groundhog is the size of a raccoon or larger. This Hornady 80 ELDX sent this groundhog into mid-air while it split it in two. This non hot rod launched a groundhog two feet in the air. That's about a 6 to 10 lb animal.

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I think we all want to see that video!

 

[357Mag]

Oh that's just silly.

I've got a video on my phone that a customer sent me of him shooting a groundhog with the Hornady 80 ELDX. I think he had it going about 3,600 ft per second. It literally split it in two. I'm not talking about a prairie dog here. I'm talking about a groundhog. Literally opened it up like hit it with a battle axe in the center. Filleted groundhog.

And I'm not going to go into all this silliness about making these little bitty bullets go fast as a hot rod. Because the higher ballistic coefficient bullets are actually going faster when they hit the target. Because those little bullets slow down so fast. Muzzle velocity does not equal terminal velocity.

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Howdy !

Muzzle velocity, bullet wt, bullet B.C. and Sectional density all play a role in ultimate terminal velocity realized. Muzzle velocity is just one of the contributing factors in terminal velocity; no matter what bullet weight in the chosen calibre is being used.

Ballistician Homer Powley told us that during firing, higher sectional density bullets accelerate slower than lower SD bullets. Perhaps one reason why " varmint calibres " lie at the smaller end of the calibre scale ? Hmm....

Within one chosen " varmint calibre ", it is possible to obtain comparable terminal energy levels shooting varying bullet weights... by finessing powder choice and charge wt and by extension load pressure...even for engagements out to extended ranges. Bullet wt selection can be influenced by the perceived need for a bullet that is affected less by a prevailing local windy condition ; for example....use of a heavier VLD. Heavier bullet wt on it own, does make a varmint calibre chambering more deadly.


With regards,
357Mah