The statement above that “there hasn’t been any real science done” caught my eye. If I have overlooked a previous post in this thread about scientific testing of tuners, please pardon me, but there has been a significant amount of scientific work done regarding tuners by Bryan Litz and the team from Applied Ballistics.
Tell us your own tuner experience and how you used it.
Very naieve assumptions. I've been using a tuner for LR BR for quite some time with much success. It's a great tool to have for multiple reasons. Lack of tuning knowledge is far from it!
Because his test was less than ideal due to lack of experience. He's a reputable person and well educated but unless you know the value on target of each increment you move a tuner, there's simply no way to get predictable and/or repeatable results. He got the results out of the test that he put into the test, random results. I think he has seen the value in what I'm describing since then, as indicated by his comments in a later interview. Bottom line, if you move a tuner without knowing the value of each adjustment, then you, he or anyone..can't expect to get repeatable results. No test may well be better than one done wrong from the get go. Your claim that no other testing has been done is far from true. You are simply choosing who to believe based on whatever criteria. It's ok but I think anyone can look at the results many have with tuners and their conclusions being so different from the Litz results should at least raise an eyebrow. If you had experience with tuners and using it properly, I'm just confident you'd feel like his test was not done properly, no matter how many rounds he fired.
1800 rounds across 4 guns off bipods doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny as far as testing robustness goes, though. That’s a small sample for a lot of us. Not to mention that you will not never ever agg as good off of a bipod as you would a rest. They made a load, then chopped off a signicant portion of the barrel (threading) then tried to take that same load and wonder why the dispersion doesn’t change. It wasn’t good to begin with, and no amount of anything other than a solid load workup from scratch will save it.
@gunsandgunsmithing, If you were talking to me, when exactly did I “claim that no other testing has been done” (your words)?
Maybe it's geographical or something but I look at the same top 10 and at least 5 of them are in my customer report as having bought just my tuners alone, not counting other makes. Some of them buying 2 or 3 at a time. Can't say what they shot for sure but they did buy them, as well as many more when I look at the list. I know many of these folks. I won't name them and will leave that up to them or not but trust me, there are a bunch of tuners in both short and long range. Just sold one yesterday to a nice gentleman that I think he said he knows you pretty well, too...fwiw. Not saying you can't win without a tuner but it's getting more and more that way as time goes.
I'm not interested in arguing but you can google it up.
You'll know it. I'm not sure what I said that might've prompted that comment but I'll apologize for it now. I prefer we just move forward civilly, though. Why not?What does it look like when you are interested in arguing?
Kinda like driving by a truck fire on the way home, ya just gotta look ?
Maybe that's the problem with this one. The other one is a good thread.
Obviously you have never worked with a tuner, I'm not being derogatory to you at all, I use a tuner on all my guns, I sometimes compare it to changing powder weight or seating depth without the mess. If you do the test that Mike @gunsandgunsmithing has people do when they buy a tuner you will SEE the results. Hope this helps.
