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Things I hate and love about AR15 platform

I shot ARs for quite a few years. Pros -- I like being able to swap uppers to go from a defense configuration to a longer, heavier barrel for varmint work.

CONS -- the guns are filthy inside. I saw many cycling issues and jams at my club because guys used a lot of wet lube on the bolt carrier and upper which combined with the abundant powder residue coming from the gas port. This created a dirty, filthy mess inside, on the bolt and bolt recesses.

I saw multiple ARs fail because of brass shavings and grit combined with lube/carbon residues getting into the extractor recess and ejector recess. You'd see a thick, black goo with metal shavings and carbon.

My personal experience was that ARs ran best with a good low-drag protective permanent finish on the inside of the upper, plus Teflon-type cream lube on the sliding surfaces of the bolt carrier (and upper contact points) but the rest left relatively dry. Minimal oil on the bolt, other than a proper lube on the bolt lugs.

I did get to shoot an AR variant with a piston instead of the direct gas impingement. Maybe a slight loss of accuracy, but my God, the rifle ran SO much cleaner! It could literally cycle hundreds of rounds without cleaning. The U.S. Military should have adopted a piston-type AR decades ago, IMHO.

As one example, I had to help a local police SWAT team get their ARs to work, because the excess lube and powder residue was causing their rifles to jam or fail to cycle properly.

Even the inventor of the AR15, Eugene Stoner, said his later Stoner 63 design with gas piston was better for military use.

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I've got or have shot plenty of milsurp type rifles, and am familiar with the general accuracy of them. The ONLY thing that intrigued me about the AR platform, is that I know a few folks who are getting smoking hot accuracy from them.

Soooo, I finally decided to try one of these things. I appreciate it as a machine, its function, adaptability, and the ability to configure it to what I want it to be.

I'll enjoy this part of my gun hobby for awhile, and likely end up with a few of them before I'm done. I'm low budget by nature, and enjoy achieving good results for a low cost. I think that may be possible with these AR's. -- as with most things. jd
 
I went to the SEAL museum in Ft Pierce Florida many years ago and had never seen a Stoner 63, there were 3 at the museum (don't know if they were complete running guns or just display guns). I looked them up on the internet and found one that same evening on gun broker for $63,000. I have a friend that used to work at Knights armament and they did a run 15 -20 years ago, and the employees got the pic of the left-over parts. Since then he has built 3 semi-auto rifle versions from parts he occasionally finds on gun broker and what parts he had and a few pieces a mutual friend makes. YOU ARE RIGHT THERE IS NOTHING COOLER THAN A STONER 63. I've handled his but not at a range where I could shoot one. Maybe some day.
 
I will throw this out there regarding them running dirty. I started wondering just how dirty one would run without any cleaning of any kind from a new out of the box AR15 that was cleaned when taken out of the box and no further cleaning until it would not run period.

I bought a DPMS unit that was $600 at the time, it was a 16" SS bull barrel carbine. There was no break in of any kind, the ammo was anything I had laying around, some was good quality and some was mil-surplus. It was also any grain weight that I picked up, from 55gr to 90gr.

The bottom line is that it ran right at 650rds and slowly just stopped as it got dirtier and dirtier. Yes it was a very dirty mess. Then just to see if it would work I sprayed it down with WD40 and it went right back to running again, I only had about 40rds left and it ate them as well.

The shooting bench and the carbine AND me were quite the mess when done, but it was fun.
 
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I've seen a couple YouTube vids where they took economy ARs such as Anderson or Palmetto basics, and tried to fry them with a couple thousand rounds, -- one with mostly full auto.. They worked amazingly well considering.
One of these tests was with with an Anderson that had their proprietary lubrified metal treatment -- and no other lube. It worked. jd
 
2022 I ran my service rifle for ~950 rounds without cleaning it. The day I cleaned it, I shot a clean at 600 yards in the CMP cup match earlier in the day. Not one stoppage. Only reason. I cleaned it was because board week was coming up and I wanted to be 100% certain there would be no issues.

Just finished the rifle portion of Pac Fleet/All Navy West matches and sitting at 309 rounds trouble free since last cleaning (when I rebarreled)
 
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The cure for the in between AR12.5, is for me the 6.8spc II. Yes Remington screwed it up, however with the 11 or 11.5 twist barrel I was able to do a 7 of 9 touching group at 100yds the first time out with one I put together from parts.

The two flyers were on me. That upper got away from me and after moving around a few hundred rounds of reloaded 6.8 from place to place for many years I finally just broke down and got a PSA 6.8spc upper, it was cheap and it does moa or better when I still can.
That ammo I loaded up in 2010 still shoots good and that beats the heck out sitting there pulling those bullets apart.
There's good AR15 calibers to choose from, 5.56 x 45, 6MM ARC, 6.5 Grendle, 6.8 SPC are the smaller calibers I see as viable for general purpose chambering.
 
As the primary firearms instructor I was constantly asked about putting all sorts of stuff on our M4s. I called them fashion accessories for guns. I told our people to learn to shoot better with the irons or the Eotech/Trijicon scope if it had one, don't worry about what the "cool" kids are using.
Victoria's Secret will soon make firearm accessories.
 
2022 I ran my service rifle for ~950 rounds without cleaning it. The day I cleaned it, I shot a clean at 600 yards in the CMP cup match earlier in the day. Not one stoppage. Only reason. I cleaned it was because board week was coming up and I wanted to be 100% certain there would be no issues.

Just finished the rifle portion of Pac Fleet/All Navy West matches and sitting at 309 rounds trouble free since last cleaning (when I rebarreled)
The AR in my experiance is extremely reliable. I love my M1 Carbines but depending on the temperature at 300 rounds they can muck up.
 
I will throw this out there regarding them running dirty. I started wondering just how dirty one would run without any cleaning of any kind from a new out of the box AR15 that was cleaned when taken out of the box and no further cleaning until it would not run period.

I bought a DPMS unit that was $600 at the time, it was a 16" SS bull barrel carbine. There was no break in of any kind, the ammo was anything I had laying around, some was good quality and some was mil-surplus. It was also any grain weight that I picked up, from 55gr to 90gr.

The bottom line is that it ran right at 650rds and slowly just stopped as it got dirtier and dirtier. Yes it was a very dirty mess. Then just to see if it would work I sprayed it down with WD40 and it went right back to running again, I only had about 40rds left and it ate them as well.

The shooting bench and the carbine AND me were quite the mess when done, but it was fun.
The Military Arms Channels ran a standard gas AR15 for 5,000 uncleaned.
 
I already broke AR fashion law when I put this big honking Vortex on mine. At 6.5 x 20, it's a little high powered for close up ammo wasting, but great for magnifying new-born ground squirrels.
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Then, last night my neighbor just gave me 200 brand new Win brass for this thing. God is good. jd


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I already broke AR fashion law when I put this big honking Vortex on mine. At 6.5 x 20, it's a little high powered for close up ammo wasting, but great for magnifying new-born ground squirrels.
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Then, last night my neighbor just gave me 200 brand new Win brass for this thing. God is good. jd


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Good for you, just to test drive my Aero Precision M4E before I decided on what scope to marry it to, I put my old Redfield, 3 x 12 x 56MM on her just for a few test runs.

It's accurate but 100+ grain projectiles are bad Ju-Ju for varmints, if I need that type of scope to kill deer at 200 yards I should take up knitting. :)
 
Well...why not? :D When my A-Detachment arrived in-country in late 1964, we were issued the XM-16 (an SP1 w/selector switch). After running a bit of ammo thru them, listening to the recoil spring twang, we figured that Matel was making them!
60 years later that rifle has served longer than any other rifle in history and has served well. I never felt under armed with the 5.56 x 45 in standard conditions, certainly there are situations where you need more or less than the 5.56 x 45 and a rifle.

Many years ago, I showed my wife a gun magazine add with a fellow and a woman in the picture. It was stylish, her skirt was split up to where the sun doesn't shine showing her stylish thigh holster and he had stylish clothing and a stylish shoulder rig.

Now the style is to dress up like you did something and take an extremely well balanced combat rifle and make it FUBAR.
 

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