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Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

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My rule of thumb is if politicians are pushing something pause for a while and let others be the beta testers. You've all heard politicians pontificate about firearms, how much did they know? They probably know less about energy generation, climate physics and transportation.

I'll give it ten years and then see how the land lies. I can imagine it will be very different just like it is now after at one time, in the UK, they pushed diesel vehicles as clean, they are now apparently the devil's work!
 
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My rule of thumb is if politicians are pushing something pause for a while and let others be the beta testers. You've all heard politicians pontificate about firearms, how much did they know? They probably know less about energy generation, climate physics and transportation.

I'll give it ten years and then see how the land lies. I can imagine it will be very different just like it is now after at one time, in the UK, they pushed diesel vehicles as clean, they are now apparently the devil's work!
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The problem is this time it's different. Our government and global banks are starving out oil and gas production. Governments are scaring the bejeezus out of vehicle manufacturers, forcing them to spend $trillions (globally) on EVs. Ford is going to lose $4.5 billion on EV this year alone. What rational publicly-held corporation would put its neck on the block like that? This madness must be stopped now rather than later, by which time fuel and vehicle industries may be wrecked. We take the availability of reliable, affordable personal transportation for granted, without thinking about the 100+ year old infrastructure, not threatened, that underpins it all.

Here is a chart showing our nation's crude oil inventory over time. Consider how much smaller the daily demand for vehicle fuel would have been in 1985. This may sober you up a little.
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Take your chart back further...

Vehicle manufacturers are investing. That often entails early year losses to make future gains. Ultimately EV production is much cheaper and less complicated than CE vehicles and requires less labor. It's a path they wish to move forward on. The challenge for them is how to pace investment to match adoption and to not cannibalise their existing manufacturing. US manufacturers are unfortunately way behind. (One could add "as usual".) This is one of the reasons Tesla has surged forward. It started with a clean slate.

The US Strategic Oil Reserve has been depleted largely to help satiate the bleeting of those who have perceived US fuel prices as being too high and in response to the price risk associated with loss of output as a result of the war in Ukraine and restriction and price caps on Russian crude supply. The USSOR was largely ramped up post events in Iran in the 70s. Then, the US was very dependent on oil supply from Iran. One can even argue that given today's far greater domestic supply capability (which exploded around 2008) the US doesn't need as high levels of strategic reserve as exist today.

OPEC, led by the Saudis, have constrained crude supply recently in order to raise prices to somewhere much more in line with their inflation-adjusted equivalent.

Oil companies have no issue with access to capital. They're not being "starved". In fact, they have excess capital and are returning boatloads of it to their shareholders.
 
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Take your chart back further...
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What does crude inventory before 1985 show? And given the rest of your post, what does pre-1985 inventory have to do with EV investment?
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The US Strategic Oil Reserve has been depleted largely to help satiate the bleeting of those who have perceived US fuel prices as being too high and in response to the price risk associated with loss of output as a result of the war in Ukraine and restriction and price caps on Russian crude supply.
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The crude inventory does not include the Strategic Oil Petroleum Reserve (which is also depleted dangerously). It is the number of barrels of commercial crude oil held by US firms.

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Oil companies have no issue with access to capital. They're not being "starved". In fact, they have excess capital and are returning boatloads of it to their shareholders.
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Happily (since, like most Americans, I'm an oil company shareholder) you're right. The World Bank in 2017 promised to cease funding fossil fuel projects after 2019, but has not kept that pledge. But I don't trust the hundreds of banks and corporations to continue breaking their promises in the face of increasing government coercion.
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Can Florida stand alone if the rest of the world burns? I don't see how as all the gas that produces 67% of FPLs electricity is from natural gas that comes from Texas
 
Yesterday I put some miles on a Chevy Bolt. I was impressed. Looking into rebates and cost to charge it as fuel reaches $7 a gallon here. This will serve as the shorter trip and errand vehicle, replace my Sonic. My Pick-Up and BMW will be at the ready for other duties.
 
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Brian lives in San Luis Obispo (CA). He was sick of the world, sick of
COVID, Trump, Fox News, the "My Pillow" guy, Russia, China, global warming,
street crime, fentanyl, illegal immigrants, racial tensions & the rest of
the disturbing stories that occupy media headlines.

Brian drove his car into his garage & then sealed every doorway & window as
best he could. He got back into his car, wound all the windows up, selected
his favorite radio station, started the car & revved it to a slow idle.

Five (5) days later, a worried neighbor peered thru his garage window & saw
him in the car. She notified the emergency services. They broke in & pulled
Brian from the car. A little sip of water &, surprisingly, he was in perfect
condition. However, his Tesla had a dead battery.
 
My rep in the house, Mr Massie, drives a Tesla full of china components.i will keep my idi diesel till it quits...wrecked...I die ..or they throw me in jail ... threatening me won't work. No computer to fail,only one qtr of engine life used..manual trans and tfer case. Aka anti theft device for today's druggies.
Don't need no stinking ev to burn up in the yard.
 
It's difficult...when I buy electrical parts,and parts in general...I try to get USA components first and china last....for example ...a glow plug controller/ relay for a 7.3 power stroke....a china part is a two yr life from my experience...bearings etc...look at the part not package....I had a china made motorcycle tire fail on a klr not a superbike...warranty??? It had less than 100 miles on it....USA first...china last....I'll quit...don't want to get too off base.
 
Insuring a BEV is more expensive than for an equivalent-value ICE vehicle.

Electric vehicles tend to have newer and more updated technology, which are costly to replace and difficult to source.

If your EV is involved in an accident, the high-voltage battery, which powers the electric motor, could be damaged and need replacing. Depending on your vehicle, battery-pack replacement alone can cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Parts for certain EVs may be limited due to small manufacturing processes. This can make the repair process notably more expensive and result in long delays.

Few repair shops are equipped to work on EVs, so your vehicle will likely need to go to a special shop following an accident. This can be more costly for your insurance company.
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Few repair shops are equipped to work on EVs, so your vehicle will likely need to go to a special shop following an accident. This can be more costly for your insurance company.
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Training for hybrids has been around for a while and many shops, depending on the need and profitability do perform repairs on those vehicles. Many diagnosis and repairs will likely due to the complexity and cost of equipment, be performed at the dealers. Training for EV's is becoming more available. ASE has certifications EV1, EV2, L3 ,L4. A quick search found several colleges and private institutes near by offer EV training. EV's are not going away any time soon for sure.
 
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