Anshutz 53.30 question

[Hi-NV Shooter]

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Where and how do you post these

 

[Tim Slater]

Lee,

I really wish I had never posted on this thread.

I made a light hearted, and somewhat tongue in cheek, comment that the 54.30s two-part chamber had a secondary effect of being similar to one of Anschutz's competitors. In response you have derailed this thread to complain that Bleiker are rubbish, and to give Anschutz a 101 Marketing class.

If you believe Anschutz would admit they made changes to emulate their competitors, you are naive. However, it is striking that many of the new features of the 54.30 were found on the Bleiker: shorter bolt, threaded barrel, and a longer tenon. These aren't unique to Bleiker, but it's noticeable that other manufacturers of ISSF rifles have taken notes from Bleiker too. The Walther KK500 has a very similar length bolt to the Bleiker, as well as a 6 o'clock striking firing pin. Grunig chose the same multi-piece receiver for their .22 Racer, as well as a strikingly similar front-locking bolt, and US made barrels

No I haven't shot a Bleiker, and a public-sector salary and a young family preclude owning one at the mo. Does this disqualify me from discussing these in any way? I've shot alongside Bleikers and know several shooters who own one. I would not post on subjects that required hands-on knowledge, such as trigger feel, balance, or loading effort. But I think I can fairly discuss the obvious external physical attributes, such as the breech position, or construction, as well as their medal succeses, much as you drew conclusions from Bleiker's lack if success in US BR matches.

I don't understand the Vincent Price reference I'm afraid. I'm the wrong generation to be familiar with his work. Please don't trouble yourself to explain unless it was a compliment.

 

[butchlambert]

Lee,

I really wish I had never posted on this thread.

I made a light hearted, and somewhat tongue in cheek, comment that the 54.30s two-part chamber had a secondary effect of being similar to one of Anschutz's competitors. In response you have derailed this thread to complain that Bleiker are rubbish, and to give Anschutz a 101 Marketing class.

If you believe Anschutz would admit they made changes to emulate their competitors, you are naive. However, it is striking that many of the new features of the 54.30 were found on the Bleiker: shorter bolt, threaded barrel, and a longer tenon. These aren't unique to Bleiker, but it's noticeable that other manufacturers of ISSF rifles have taken notes from Bleiker too. The Walther KK500 has a very similar length bolt to the Bleiker, as well as a 6 o'clock striking firing pin. Grunig chose the same multi-piece receiver for their .22 Racer, as well as a strikingly similar front-locking bolt, and US made barrels

No I haven't shot a Bleiker, and a public-sector salary and a young family preclude owning one at the mo. Does this disqualify me from discussing these in any way? I've shot alongside Bleikers and know several shooters who own one. I would not post on subjects that required hands-on knowledge, such as trigger feel, balance, or loading effort. But I think I can fairly discuss the obvious external physical attributes, such as the breech position, or construction, as well as their medal succeses, much as you drew conclusions from Bleiker's lack if success in US BR matches.

I don't understand the Vincent Price reference I'm afraid. I'm the wrong generation to be familiar with his work. Please don't trouble yourself to explain unless it was a compliment.

If I have a question on high end factory rifles, I check with Tim. He is a fount of true knowledge regarding rimfire rifles.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

If I have a question on high end factory rifles, I check with Tim. He is a fount of true knowledge regarding rimfire rifles.

I have no disagreement with that. for iron sight shooting he has a vast knowledge. his knowledge in RFBR is about as much as mine in iron sight/off-hand shooting.

Lee

 

[Tim Slater]

I have no disagreement with that. for iron sight shooting he has a vast knowledge. his knowledge in RFBR is about as much as mine in iron sight/off-hand shooting.

Lee

Lee,

Thank you. I freely admit I know very little of RFBR. I'm not sure how the limits of my knowledge relate to anything in this thread.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Lee,

I really wish I had never posted on this thread.

I made a light hearted, and somewhat tongue in cheek, comment that the 54.30s two-part chamber had a secondary effect of being similar to one of Anschutz's competitors. In response you have derailed this thread to complain that Bleiker are rubbish, and to give Anschutz a 101 Marketing class.

If you believe Anschutz would admit they made changes to emulate their competitors, you are naive. However, it is striking that many of the new features of the 54.30 were found on the Bleiker: shorter bolt, threaded barrel, and a longer tenon. These aren't unique to Bleiker, but it's noticeable that other manufacturers of ISSF rifles have taken notes from Bleiker too. The Walther KK500 has a very similar length bolt to the Bleiker, as well as a 6 o'clock striking firing pin. Grunig chose the same multi-piece receiver for their .22 Racer, as well as a strikingly similar front-locking bolt, and US made barrels

No I haven't shot a Bleiker, and a public-sector salary and a young family preclude owning one at the mo. Does this disqualify me from discussing these in any way? I've shot alongside Bleikers and know several shooters who own one. I would not post on subjects that required hands-on knowledge, such as trigger feel, balance, or loading effort. But I think I can fairly discuss the obvious external physical attributes, such as the breech position, or construction, as well as their medal succeses, much as you drew conclusions from Bleiker's lack if success in US BR matches.

I don't understand the Vincent Price reference I'm afraid. I'm the wrong generation to be familiar with his work. Please don't trouble yourself to explain unless it was a compliment.

What does the long tenon accomplish?

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Lee,

Thank you. I freely admit I know very little of RFBR. I'm not sure how the limits of my knowledge relate to anything in this thread.

Tim let just say things go out of hand and let's leave it at that. no offense was intended towards you in post #40

Lee

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

What does the long tenon accomplish?

That is a very good question

 

[Tim Slater]

What does the long tenon accomplish?

Mechanically, I'd guess at more support for the barrel, but I'm no engineer. There have been concerns in prone circles about the length of the tenon in the past, hence bedding under the barrel was not uncommon. Also all their competitors have had a much longer tenon for decades: not just Bleiker, but Walther (since the KK200), FWB (since the 2600), Diana, the old Soviet Ural 5-1. Did Anschutz want to be seen as different?

Ergonomically the longer tenon is an effect of a shorter bolt, and a full length action. The shorter bolt was a key feature; loading a Match 54 in position can be a struggle for smaller shooters. I'm 6' 1" and must lift my elbow*. With practise this isn't a problem for most adults, but less movement means both less time and less opportunity for errors over a long match. The full length action allows the 54.30 to be a drop in replacement for existing Match 54 owners. I suspect Anschutrz had in mind the lower cost of a barrel-action vs a whole rifle might persuade more shooters to buy.

*Some roll sideways instead to keep the right elbow grounded. I don't think it's any less disruptive, possibly more actually. As a technique it's no longer common except among older shooters here, typically those who learnt on BSA Martinis.