Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

[NorCalMikie]

Looks like Ford is raising the price of its F150 lightning again. Base price going up 11%

And STILL not enough electricity to give it a full charge without blowing a fuse.

 

[Brians356]

Looks like Ford is raising the price of its F150 lightning again. Base price going up 11%

From SeekingAlpha:

Inflation deepens: It was only two weeks ago that Ford shocked the auto sector, disclosing that it expects to have 40K to 45K "vehicles on wheels" at the end of the third quarter that are lacking parts currently in short supply. On top of that, the company warned that inflation-related Q3 supply costs would be ~$1B higher than originally estimated. Suppliers are also facing a world where raw commodity prices are going up, and they are passing along those costs to automakers and their consumers.

As a result, Ford previously raised the price of its Mustang Mach-E SUV, and just upped the cost of its F-150 Lightning by $5,000 for the 2023 model year. It's the second time that Ford has raised the price on the electric pickup over the past two months, with its "most affordable" Pro model now coming in at $51,974 (up 11% from August and 30% from the truck's $39,974 price tag in May 2021). Customers that hold existing orders with Ford won't be affected by the price increase.
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[Dusty Stevens]

All the govt has to do is give yet another incentive and the price will go up again

 

[NorCalMikie]

It's YOUR $$$$. Spend it if you want or don't. Price goes up 10% to 15% + on new and used cars? NO THANK YOU!! Don't call me. I'll call you.
But, but, but? Like I said, NO THANK YOU.

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

I just want to ride a horse to work

 

[NorCalMikie]

Just read a post from a Guy that ordered a new Ford and waited. Put $$$ down to hold it. Got a call "Your truck is in". Went to the dealer, saw HIS truck and also saw an ADDITIONAL $$$ sticked being applied above and beyond the price he was quoted.
Me? Would have taken out a FULL PAGE AD in the local bird case liner telling EVERYBODY what crooks the Dealership was. Got his deposit back but.....
Jacking up the price on used vehicles too. Won't be long till they jack themselves out of business. All for the almighty $$$. Looking more like crooked politicians every day.

 

[rr2030]

Just read a post from a Guy that ordered a new Ford and waited. Put $$$ down to hold it. Got a call "Your truck is in". Went to the dealer, saw HIS truck and also saw an ADDITIONAL $$$ sticked being applied above and beyond the price he was quoted.
Me? Would have taken out a FULL PAGE AD in the local bird case liner telling EVERYBODY what crooks the Dealership was. Got his deposit back but.....
Jacking up the price on used vehicles too. Won't be long till they jack themselves out of business. All for the almighty $$$. Looking more like crooked politicians every day.

You could replace truck with the word primers in this post. Pretty much the same thing, supply-demand-greed.

 

[ronsatspokane]

I don't have anything against electric vehicles but I do have a issue with them being drove down my throat. Actually I saw one advertised as self charging from solar. That I would consider just to run into town off and on. I need to go 22 miles for a loaf of bread.
EVs just wont work for many of us, or at least right now they wont. Try pulling a boat from Maine to up state NY. That would take a week waiting for a charge.

I think a lot of people misunderstand the game that is afoot. As energy prices rise, so does everything else since everything is based on energy in one way or another. Could be simply transportation or the entire supply chain from mining to manufacturing to transportation to sales to destination delivery. At some point there is insufficient disposable income needed to even purchase a boat. Currently lower income people cannot even afford to drive to work. Retired people are seeing their savings evaporate while costs also go through the roof. Not long before this hits the middle class just as hard. And that is the plan. To bankrupt the middle class and force a significant reduction in the standard of living and indeed, in the quality of life. Once we are a third world nation, the planet will be safe. See what is happening in Europe and you see the future here.

 

[22BRGUY]

Storm Ian, will test Electric vehicles and salt water, it's going to be interesting.

Here's your answer

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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[22BRGUY]

"He left South Africa to avoid the draft."

That's a little too neat.

He actually attended college in S.A., which was a perfectly legal and acceptable way to avoid military service, while awaiting Canadian immigration processing.

Suppose, upon becoming an adult, you wanted to leave your country for Canada or the US to make your way up in the world. Does that make you a "draft dodger" simply because remaining there would have required military service?
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YUP

 

[22BRGUY]

The earth is adding gas every day just the way it always has.

When you pass gas it proves you had instinct.

 

[TrxR]

It looks like GM has their EV trucks figured out .

 

[Brians356]

It looks like GM has their EV trucks figured out .

Speaking of trucks, how about our vast over-the-road long haul fleet? When I asked my friend, the PhD economist and energy expert at GAO, when we could expect all interstate highway cargo transport to be EV, he reluctantly conceded "probably never".

Yet, hope springs eternal! From SeekingAlpha this morning:

PepsiCo ordered 100 Tesla Semis in 2017, with the aim of cutting its fuel costs and emissions. At the time, production was expected to commence in 2019, with the 500-mile-range version starting at $180K. While the price tag is likely a lot higher today, as an all-electric Class 8 truck, it would qualify for a tax break of up to $40K under the Inflation Reduction Act. Should the Tesla Semi be everything the company says it is, the vehicle could revolutionize the freight transport industry, with its cost savings and smaller carbon footprint.

This should be interesting. For local delivery fleets - maybe. For highway long haul - pass the popcorn.
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[Brians356]

An article in the WSJ (behind paywall, so here's a photo of the print article), also posted in another thread:

 

[rr2030]

It looks like GM has their EV trucks figured out .

Not supposed to get it wet, what an idiot. I bet now he is going to cry warranty !

 

[rr2030]

Speaking of trucks, how about our vast over-the-road long haul fleet? When I asked my friend, the PhD economist and energy expert at GAO, when we could expect all interstate highway cargo transport to be EV, he reluctantly conceded "probably never".

Yet, hope springs eternal! From SeekingAlpha this morning:

PepsiCo ordered 100 Tesla Semis in 2017, with the aim of cutting its fuel costs and emissions. At the time, production was expected to commence in 2019, with the 500-mile-range version starting at $180K. While the price tag is likely a lot higher today, as an all-electric Class 8 truck, it would qualify for a tax break of up to $40K under the Inflation Reduction Act. Should the Tesla Semi be everything the company says it is, the vehicle could revolutionize the freight transport industry, with its cost savings and smaller carbon footprint.

This should be interesting. For local delivery fleets - maybe. For highway long haul - pass the popcorn.
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34' of the 40' trailer will be the vehicles batteries

 

[JayHHI6818]

Picture says it. Saw this the other day and they no it’s stupid to try and tow with EV pickup!!!

 

[Brians356]

It looks like GM has their EV trucks figured out .

9000 lbs? I wonder what insurance rates are for these EVs compared to like-value ICE vehicles?

A friend has an Japanese EV car which has the big main battery (for propulsion) and a regular compact 12v car battery which runs much of the rest of the car. He let the car sit for only a week, fully charged, and the 12v drained down too far just sitting there for him to operate the car! He had to buy a battery tender to keep the 12v from crapping out. I asked him what the manufacturer had to say, and he was still trying to get a straight answer.

And these EV designers are going to change our world for the better?
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[Adam in WI]

This should be interesting. For local delivery fleets - maybe. For highway long haul - pass the popcorn.

Weight is going to be a huge issue with these. A tractor pulling a refrigerated trailer weighs in the neighborhood of 31,000 to 35,000 pounds, with roughly 15k to 19k of that being the tractor. With a max combined GVW of 80,000; that gives you the ability to legally haul approx 45,000 to 49,000 pounds assuming you can meet your target maximum axle weights. I ran into the salesman who sold to the last outfit I worked for recently and in the course of discussion electric trucks came up. He told me a daycab electric tractor is clocking in right around 30,000 pounds - double that of a diesel tractor with current emissions equipment. For anyone who gets paid by the pound, this is a nonstarter. No one is going to want to cut their range by 75% while at the same time cutting their maximum payload by over 30%. The only short term adopters of this that I can see is going to be contractors getting freight off of the major ports, and LTL operations that have fixed distances and lighter loads.

 

[Brians356]

Weight is going to be a huge issue with these. A tractor pulling a refrigerated trailer weighs in the neighborhood of 31,000 to 35,000 pounds, with roughly 15k to 19k of that being the tractor. With a max combined GVW of 80,000; that gives you the ability to legally haul approx 45,000 to 49,000 pounds assuming you can meet your target maximum axle weights. I ran into the salesman who sold to the last outfit I worked for recently and in the course of discussion electric trucks came up. He told me a daycab electric tractor is clocking in right around 30,000 pounds - double that of a diesel tractor with current emissions equipment. For anyone who gets paid by the pound, this is a nonstarter. No one is going to want to cut their range by 75% while at the same time cutting their maximum payload by over 30%. The only short term adopters of this that I can see is going to be contractors getting freight off of the major ports, and LTL operations that have fixed distances and lighter loads.

Boring economics again. How tedious. But you're conveniently ignoring that lightweight batteries are just around the corner. They only need to be invented, and Bam!
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