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ATF at local gun show today

tylerw02 said:
So we should pretend like we like them screwing us now?
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That's up to you.

But maybe we shouldn't pretend that the only laws that apply are those written on the original constitution. Like it or not, we're governed by more federal laws & regulations than just the founding documents.
 
Dgd6mm said:
They, meaning ATF is not our friend. They despise us gun owners. I'm convinced they see us as the enemy and that it is their solemn duty to keep us under watch, and what they think, in our place. Stealing our freedoms a little at a time.
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I stand by my statement. The ATF acts like they are FFL holders buddies, but they're not. US gun owners are who they are keeping up with. With what we purchase, what we sell, ammo and reloading purchases. In what purpose do they serve us 2nd amendment gun loving Americans. They should be abolished. Times have definitely changed since I started breathing breath. It's going to get worse.
 
rijndael said:
That's up to you.

But maybe we shouldn't pretend that the only laws that apply are those written on the original constitution. Like it or not, we're governed by more federal laws & regulations than just the founding documents.
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The Constitution is not is not Law. It defines What kinds of laws can be enacted.
 
More than likely they are aligning themselves with the tainted and corrupt fbi, doj, dnc, and the irs (caps off intentionally).
Considering the ATF were silent when $82 billion of our best arms were intentionally given to our worst enemies in Sept 2021, they too are worthless and bias.
 
Its been several yrs since I have attended a gun show, but when I did, if the show was any size the ATF was present. Back in those days the only people who had something to fear is the ones who was doing wrong.
Today w/the unethical/illegal political mood, the ATF probably has fell prey to that. Even if things in government made a turn around, TRUST is something thats going to have to earned w/all agencies. LDS
 
Nick Caprinolo said:
The Constitution is not is not Law. It defines What kinds of laws can be enacted.
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I will just use one example to contradict your premise, the 14th Amendment.
www.archives.gov

14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Civil Rights (1868)

EnlargeDownload Link Citation: The House Joint Resolution Proposing the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, June 16, 1866; Enrolled Acts and Resolutions of Congress, 1789-1999; General Records of the United States Government; Record Group 11; National Archives. View All Pages in the National...
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That sure reads like a Law to me.

Now, granted, individual Government Entities, from City Councils all the way to the United States Congress can enact statutes that try to circumvent the laws laid out in the Constitution, but it will then be up to the Supreme Court to determine if these entities have overstepped their authority.

In the end, the Supreme Court has the final say…………unless

The Congress, the President, and three fourths of the State Legislatures agree to amend the Constitution. Then that provision is Law, because it is now part of the Constitution.
 
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jackieschmidt said:
I will just use one example to contradict your premise, the 14th Amendment.
www.archives.gov

14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Civil Rights (1868)

EnlargeDownload Link Citation: The House Joint Resolution Proposing the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, June 16, 1866; Enrolled Acts and Resolutions of Congress, 1789-1999; General Records of the United States Government; Record Group 11; National Archives. View All Pages in the National...
www.archives.gov www.archives.gov

That sure reads like a Law to me.

Now, granted, individual Government Entities, from City Councils all the way to the United States Congress can enact statutes that try to circumvent the laws laid out in the Constitution, but it will then be up to the Supreme Court to determine if these entities have overstepped their authority.

In the end, the Supreme Court has the final say…………unless

The Congress, the President, and three fourths of the State Legislatures agree to amend the Constitution. Then that provision is Law, because it is now part of the Constitution.
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It is a Civil Rights issue. Same as the first ten amendments. It guarantees certain rights to people. Now the Civil Rights law passed by congress at the insistence of President Johnson is a specific law.
 
Why did the organizers of the show allow ATF in? And why did they allow them to have a table? It's not like the show took place on a public sidewalk. It was inside of a venue of some sort, right? That means it's private. Gotta pay to get in. Organizers allowed ATF to be there.
 
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